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JAXAshby July 20th 03 01:35 PM

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fine response, jl. ill-informed on your part to be sure, but nevertheless a
fine, fine response on your part.

now go back to study hall.

You are truly ignorant of all things nautical.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Take a sloop and add a second
head sail and it becomes a cutter.


Actually, it is still a sloop, though a twin-headsail sloop.

The definition of "cutter" has become more of "twin headsails" through

common
usage but still to this day a cutter has a main mast placed aft of the main
mast of a sloop.










Peter Köhlmann July 20th 03 08:19 PM

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JAXAshby wrote:

fine response, jl. ill-informed on your part to be sure, but
nevertheless a fine, fine response on your part.

now go back to study hall.

You are truly ignorant of all things nautical.


Only, he is right. You are not
--
If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%?


allan July 21st 03 08:16 AM

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Must be a politician arguing his point. the definition being what ever
fits what they want it to be , but the standard dictionaries and
references point to another idea the standard thought.
Are you related to G. Weasel Bush?

JAXAshby wrote:

If you have two foresails attached to two stays, it is not a sloop.




nope.



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JAXAshby July 27th 03 06:17 PM

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horse hockey.

JAXAshby wrote:

fine response, jl. ill-informed on your part to be sure, but
nevertheless a fine, fine response on your part.

now go back to study hall.

You are truly ignorant of all things nautical.


Only, he is right. You are not
--
If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%?










JAXAshby July 27th 03 06:19 PM

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no dummy, it is a sloop with twin head sails.

which is different from a cutter.

Give it up Pete, or wait 20 to 40 years before the cutters are defined as the
number of headsails, not by the main mast placement as they are now.

JAXAshby wrote:

If you have two foresails attached to two stays, it is not a sloop.


nope.


Right, it is not a sloop then
--
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant:
first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip
away everything that doesn't look like an elephant.










Terry Spragg July 27th 03 09:43 PM

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JAXAshby wrote:

dum dum, I *am* using the dicitionary definition -- as used by those
knowledgeable in things nautical. It is _you_ who are using a somewhat common
-- but incorrect -- definition.

wait 20 to 40 years and the somewhat common -- but incorrect -- definition will
be the standard.

But living today means using today's definition.

Must be a politician arguing his point. the definition being what ever
fits what they want it to be , but the standard dictionaries and
references point to another idea the standard thought.
Are you related to G. Weasel Bush?

JAXAshby wrote:

If you have two foresails attached to two stays, it is not a sloop.




nope.



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According to the last hundred years of useage recorded in my
pocket oxford dictionary, informed people know that a cutter is a
sloop rigged boat with a bowsprit capable of setting two
headsails.

A sloop rig has one mast, and fore and aft rigged sails.

This implies that since the foremost stay will be at or near the
masthead, an inner fore stay would carry a smaller jib than the
headsail.

Sailors being what they are, one would expect to see various
combinations of sails hoisted on such a rig, and occasionally,
even a cutter with 3 headsails, for as long as it takes to
convince the owner that two is better.

As I understand it, knowlegable purists who want boats with such
versatility in mind generally consider that the rig works better
when the mast is placed a little farther aft than on a sloop
designed to fly only one headsail at a time.

I think an A frame mast and only one sail, a triangle intended to
go forewards or backwards, or a hard or even an inflated
reversible foil on an unstayed mast, with one small outrigger
float, a reversible proa, sounds best of all. It would of course
use an oolau for auxiliary propulsion.

As much as some would deny it, the word will mean the same for a
few years yet, until long after the ones who don't know what
"Duck!" means have all been Darwined.

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