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On 12/26/2012 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:05:09 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Did you read the article and note the facts given?

Yup but I didn't see them explain Chicago or DC.
I also saw them gloss over Newtown." Connecticut has more restrictions
on gun ownership than most states", the first line of the article.

I thought you had a better understanding of statistics.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , lid says...

On 12/26/2012 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:05:09 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Did you read the article and note the facts given?

Yup but I didn't see them explain Chicago or DC.
I also saw them gloss over Newtown." Connecticut has more restrictions
on gun ownership than most states", the first line of the article.

I thought you had a better understanding of statistics.

Me too, but I guess not.

thumper

On 12/26/2012 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:54:55 -0800, thumper wrote:

I thought you had a better understanding of statistics.

I know a whole lot about statistics. Mostly that you can selectively
create "views" from a database that will prove just about anything you
like by what you include and what you leave out.
That is why the NRA can use that same data set and get perfectly valid
numbers that say more guns create less crime.

I guess I was wrong. Selectively sorted intentionally biased data is
not perfectly valid.

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:54:55 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/26/2012 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:05:09 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Did you read the article and note the facts given?

Yup but I didn't see them explain Chicago or DC.
I also saw them gloss over Newtown." Connecticut has more restrictions
on gun ownership than most states", the first line of the article.

I thought you had a better understanding of statistics.

I know a whole lot about statistics. Mostly that you can selectively
create "views" from a database that will prove just about anything you
like by what you include and what you leave out.
That is why the NRA can use that same data set and get perfectly valid
numbers that say more guns create less crime.

If I was going to dig into their numbers I would start with how many
of the "banned" gun styles are responsible for the murders in the
states where they are not banned.
"Assault weapons" are not really used in that many murders but they
tend to be the ones that make the news. Nobody is going to tune in to
hear about a couple of black gangsters who are killed by another black
gangster over a drug corner. That will usually be with a $100 stolen
handgun not an AR.

I think you would find out that the "banned" gun styles that are most
often used in crimes are of the type pistol. Since the vast majority of
pistols are semi-automatics, where revolvers and "autos" are effectively
the same due to their operation what specifiability are we going to ban?

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