ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

Hold it sideways.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

Hold it sideways.

So the rappers and gangsta's have it right?

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:43:49 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

Hold it sideways.

So the rappers and gangsta's have it right?

If they're holding their M16's sideways while on full automatic, then they were well trained in the
slums and ghettos run by Democrat mayors!

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:07:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:18:52 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:43:49 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

Hold it sideways.

So the rappers and gangsta's have it right?

If they're holding their M16's sideways while on full automatic, then they were well trained in the
slums and ghettos run by Democrat mayors!

One of the selling points Stoner sold to the government with the AR
was the straight line from the barrel to the center of the stock, to
limit barrel rise. That is why the sights are so high, on top of the
handle. The AK does a similar thing.

They found out pretty quickly a full auto M14 was virtually useless
off hand. After a couple shots, you had an anti-aircraft gun

Not if you hold it sideways!

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short
bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull
in auto.

Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second.

The Army has always 'taught' to fire three-round bursts, but I'd never heard they somehow managed to
limit the firing to three round bursts.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short
bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull
in auto.

Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second.

The Army has always 'taught' to fire three-round bursts, but I'd never heard they somehow managed to
limit the firing to three round bursts.

The ascendancy of the M240 SAW was brought into to provide suppressive
fire reliving the rifleman from blowing through magazines in short
order. The 3 round burst mode solved several problems with the M16,
barrel wear, burning your fingers on the gas tube and reducing the
amount of ammo that needed to get to the front-line troops.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:47:20 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short
bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull
in auto.

Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second.

The Army has always 'taught' to fire three-round bursts, but I'd never heard they somehow managed to
limit the firing to three round bursts.

The ascendancy of the M240 SAW was brought into to provide suppressive
fire reliving the rifleman from blowing through magazines in short
order. The 3 round burst mode solved several problems with the M16,
barrel wear, burning your fingers on the gas tube and reducing the
amount of ammo that needed to get to the front-line troops.


Oh, didn't know that either. I see the burst control was added to the M16A2 version. That was smart.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short
bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull
in auto.

Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second.

Bull****.
..

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:55:05 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short
bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull
in auto.

Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second.

Bull****.
.

Well, I guess it really took a couple seconds to go through 30 rounds - but it seemed like half a
second!