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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee,
then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do
we do about the 100's of thousands of others?

100s of thousands?

Cite that

No problem!!

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm



If we really wanted to make a dent in violent death we would end the
drug war.

That would certainly make a dent. Fact remains, some 90% of gun crimes
were committed with a gun that someone either stole or "borrowed" from a
legal owner.


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On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:01:34 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee,

then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do

we do about the 100's of thousands of others?



100s of thousands?



Cite that



No problem!!



http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm

From that site:

"Firearm-related crime has plummeted since 1993."

"According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those posessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

- a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
- a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
- family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%"

Where's that 90% you claim are stolen? No cite for that?


http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm

Funny, if you drill down on this data, it separates deaths by handgun and "other guns". Since assault rifles aren't handguns, we must include them in with rifles and shotguns in "other guns". And the data shows not only that handgun deaths occur at around 4X the rate as all "other guns" combined, but also that the rate of deaths for all types have reduced sharply since the '90s, which is exactly what I quoted in another thread.

Even more interesting is that the "other guns" death rate number roughly equals "knife" in deaths. JPS, pay attention.

Thanks for not reading or understanding your own links enough to realize they don't support your statements at all.

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On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:01:34 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee,

then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do

we do about the 100's of thousands of others?



100s of thousands?



Cite that



No problem!!



http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm

From that site:

"Firearm-related crime has plummeted since 1993."

"According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those posessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

- a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
- a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
- family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%"

Where's that 90% you claim are stolen? No cite for that?

Sure!!

http://extranosalley.com/?p=12198

Which states:

The same studies found that 11% of persons arrested for a gun crime were
armed with a gun from ?unknown sources.? That is interesting but not
extremely informative.

Those studies also found that 82 percent of those arrested for a gun
crime were armed with a stolen gun. Which is interesting and
informative.

So depending on how you want to slice the ?unknown 11%? the percentage
of gun toting criminals arrested with a stolen gun runs between 82 and
93%.

Conventional wisdom has it that 92% of all gun criminals are armed with
a stolen gun. Something that is not unreasonable, although in fact it
may be a percent or two high.

But all this talks begs the question; ?What percentage of crimes are
committed with stolen guns? is the question. The fact is that a very
high percentage of gun related crimes are never solved.

We know from other studies that a typical criminal will commit a ?major
crime? every 48 hours or so to cover living expenses. We know that a
typical criminal will ?be on the street? for more than four months
before they slip up and are arrested. That would place a typical
criminal?s run at around 65 serious crimes before they are arrested.

But since it is not to the criminal?s interest to confess, we do not
know how many of those are gun crimes and how many are not. Ten? Twenty?
Fifty? Probably closer to a dozen. But until all the crimes get solved,
we can only guess.

The best guess I can come up with is 96% of all gun related crimes are
committed by career criminals, using a stolen gun. That seems to be the
consensus among the detectives and criminologists I have talked to.


http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm

Funny, if you drill down on this data, it separates deaths by handgun and "other guns". Since assault rifles aren't handguns, we must include them in with rifles and shotguns in "other guns". And the data shows not only that handgun deaths occur at around 4X the rate as all "other guns" combined, but also that the rate of deaths for all types have reduced sharply since the '90s, which is exactly what I quoted in another thread.

Even more interesting is that the "other guns" death rate number roughly equals "knife" in deaths. JPS, pay attention.

Thanks for not reading or understanding your own links enough to realize they don't support your statements at all.

Well sure they do, your problem is you cherry pick pieces instead of
being able to comprehend the whole story.


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On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:41:45 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:



The best guess I can come up with is 96% of all gun related crimes are
committed by career criminals, using a stolen gun. That seems to be the
consensus among the detectives and criminologists I have talked to.

~snerk~
"The best guess I can come up with..."

You left out the last two entries on that page:

"But the lack of information makes all this pretty murky."

"Stranger"

Signed by "Stranger"? This is your researched, footnoted, reliable info?

You are truly a laugh a minute!



http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm

Funny, if you drill down on this data, it separates deaths by handgun and "other guns". Since assault rifles aren't handguns, we must include them in with rifles and shotguns in "other guns". And the data shows not only that handgun deaths occur at around 4X the rate as all "other guns" combined, but also that the rate of deaths for all types have reduced sharply since the '90s, which is exactly what I quoted in another thread.


Even more interesting is that the "other guns" death rate number roughly equals "knife" in deaths. JPS, pay attention.

Thanks for not reading or understanding your own links enough to realize they don't support your statements at all.

Well sure they do, your problem is you cherry pick pieces instead of
being able to comprehend the whole story.

The sad thing is, I really do believe you think they do.
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On 12/18/2012 1:46 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:01:34 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:55:56 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

So in your narrow mind, the only gun violence is "mass shootings"?? Gee,
then we have a really low number of gun violence incidences, but what do
we do about the 100's of thousands of others?

100s of thousands?

Cite that

No problem!!

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm


Since 1973? OK. Do you want to talk about what killed the most kids
since then?

Hint, more kids were killed in cars since Newtown than were killed at
Newtown (as of this afternoon)
You can find that stat at CDC (1702 a year 0-14 in the last year on
their site. 20 every 107 hours)
Why doesn't that make the news?


If we really wanted to make a dent in violent death we would end the
drug war.

That would certainly make a dent. Fact remains, some 90% of gun crimes
were committed with a gun that someone either stole or "borrowed" from a
legal owner.


Why don't we just make theft illegal?
That should stop it.



So what do you all think of 30 clips?
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