On 12/17/12 11:00 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/17/2012 9:34 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:38:02 -0800, jps wrote:

I wonder what the psychological implications of having an "assault"
style weapon in your hands. Does it's style support these lunatic's
assumption that they're at war with the world?

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I seriously doubt that the appearance of the weapon provides any
inspiration or motivation. I think the primary motivation for most
of these senseless killings is a suicidal death wish coupled with a
desire for 15 minutes of media fame/notoriety. That desire for
notoriety may also be coupled with a revenge motive for real or
imagined misdeeds against them, an alienation from society in general.


I disagree on most of your points. I think the "penis" is in guns, as
badly as boats, or cars.. maybe even worse. Even my girl eyeballs the
black assault rifles in gun shops, "they look bad ass" and they are used
to them in the shooter games..

As to the death wish ok, but the notoriety part I don't see in this one.
This kid just had rage, pure and simple. As you said "revenge motive for
real or imagined misdeeds against them, an alienation from society in
general". But reading the reports, I don't think the guy gave a crap
what others thought of him or making history, he just went on a rampagwe...


We don't know what was going through the mind of the shooter. He
apparently started off his killing binge by committing matricide. That
act, weird and unusual in itself, and the observations offered to date
by those who actually knew him, his age, and the horrific nature of what
he did, point to neither a death wish nor a desire for 15 minutes of
fame. Several mental health professionals who have been interviewed are
guessing the behaviors point to schizophrenia, which typically "blooms"
in young males who suffer from it between the ages of 17 and 21. Most
schizophrenics, however, are withdrawn and non-violent towards others.

Perhaps the police have found or will find some clues that shine light
on the shooter's mental state. Maybe not. The problem with guessing on
these cases where the shooter is dead and there is a lack of concrete
evidence is that it usually points in the wrong direction. I've read and
heard some reports that "violent video games" may have been involved.
Well, video games don't cause schizophrenia.

On 12/18/12 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:47:07 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Perhaps the police have found or will find some clues that shine light
on the shooter's mental state. Maybe not. The problem with guessing on
these cases where the shooter is dead and there is a lack of concrete
evidence is that it usually points in the wrong direction. I've read and
heard some reports that "violent video games" may have been involved.
Well, video games don't cause schizophrenia.




We have a culture of violence. We were started in a revolution where
we threw out all of the rules of "civilized warfare", our most bloody
war was amongst ourselves and the rest of the world uses us as their
enforcer/hit man.
You really just have to look to the media to see the model for these
shootings. What passes for news and entertainment (which is only
separated by a blurry line) all you see is mass killing of one kind or
another. The public seems to be drawn to it and the media outlets are
more than happy to oblige.
The biggest news story last year was the cold blooded murder of Osama
Bin Laden. I agree he needed killing but it was still a "hit" worthy
of Al Capone or Pablo Escobar.

We love bomb camera and drone strike videos even when a bunch of kids
are "collateral damage".
.
It is not shocking that a disturbed individual thinks the best way to
be somebody is to kill a lot of people. The more shocking the victims,
the bigger splash you get.


Once again, you are just extending the psychobabble. What evidence do
you have that the Connecticut shooter wanted to "be somebody"?

ESAD wrote:
On 12/18/12 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:47:07 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Perhaps the police have found or will find some clues that shine light
on the shooter's mental state. Maybe not. The problem with guessing on
these cases where the shooter is dead and there is a lack of concrete
evidence is that it usually points in the wrong direction. I've read
and
heard some reports that "violent video games" may have been involved.
Well, video games don't cause schizophrenia.




We have a culture of violence. We were started in a revolution where
we threw out all of the rules of "civilized warfare", our most bloody
war was amongst ourselves and the rest of the world uses us as their
enforcer/hit man.
You really just have to look to the media to see the model for these
shootings. What passes for news and entertainment (which is only
separated by a blurry line) all you see is mass killing of one kind or
another. The public seems to be drawn to it and the media outlets are
more than happy to oblige.
The biggest news story last year was the cold blooded murder of Osama
Bin Laden. I agree he needed killing but it was still a "hit" worthy
of Al Capone or Pablo Escobar.

We love bomb camera and drone strike videos even when a bunch of kids
are "collateral damage".
.
It is not shocking that a disturbed individual thinks the best way to
be somebody is to kill a lot of people. The more shocking the victims,
the bigger splash you get.


Once again, you are just extending the psychobabble. What evidence do
you have that the Connecticut shooter wanted to "be somebody"?


Check out the West Memphis Three. Pay your taxes first, deadbeat.

In article , earl8471
@hotmail.com says...

ESAD wrote:
On 12/18/12 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:47:07 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Perhaps the police have found or will find some clues that shine light
on the shooter's mental state. Maybe not. The problem with guessing on
these cases where the shooter is dead and there is a lack of concrete
evidence is that it usually points in the wrong direction. I've read
and
heard some reports that "violent video games" may have been involved.
Well, video games don't cause schizophrenia.




We have a culture of violence. We were started in a revolution where
we threw out all of the rules of "civilized warfare", our most bloody
war was amongst ourselves and the rest of the world uses us as their
enforcer/hit man.
You really just have to look to the media to see the model for these
shootings. What passes for news and entertainment (which is only
separated by a blurry line) all you see is mass killing of one kind or
another. The public seems to be drawn to it and the media outlets are
more than happy to oblige.
The biggest news story last year was the cold blooded murder of Osama
Bin Laden. I agree he needed killing but it was still a "hit" worthy
of Al Capone or Pablo Escobar.

We love bomb camera and drone strike videos even when a bunch of kids
are "collateral damage".
.
It is not shocking that a disturbed individual thinks the best way to
be somebody is to kill a lot of people. The more shocking the victims,
the bigger splash you get.


Once again, you are just extending the psychobabble. What evidence do
you have that the Connecticut shooter wanted to "be somebody"?


Check out the West Memphis Three. Pay your taxes first, deadbeat.

I'm sorry, what does the West Memphis Three have to do with the
Connecticut shooter?

On 12/18/12 1:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:36:46 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:47:07 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Perhaps the police have found or will find some clues that shine light
on the shooter's mental state. Maybe not. The problem with guessing on
these cases where the shooter is dead and there is a lack of concrete
evidence is that it usually points in the wrong direction. I've read and
heard some reports that "violent video games" may have been involved.
Well, video games don't cause schizophrenia.




We have a culture of violence. We were started in a revolution where
we threw out all of the rules of "civilized warfare", our most bloody
war was amongst ourselves and the rest of the world uses us as their
enforcer/hit man.
You really just have to look to the media to see the model for these
shootings. What passes for news and entertainment (which is only
separated by a blurry line) all you see is mass killing of one kind or
another. The public seems to be drawn to it and the media outlets are
more than happy to oblige.
The biggest news story last year was the cold blooded murder of Osama
Bin Laden. I agree he needed killing but it was still a "hit" worthy
of Al Capone or Pablo Escobar.

We love bomb camera and drone strike videos even when a bunch of kids
are "collateral damage".
.
It is not shocking that a disturbed individual thinks the best way to
be somebody is to kill a lot of people. The more shocking the victims,
the bigger splash you get.


Once again, you are just extending the psychobabble. What evidence do
you have that the Connecticut shooter wanted to "be somebody"?


Isn't every debate driven by psychobabble?

There is no shortage of people who make penis references to guns, fast
boats, fast cars or just about anything else they are opposed to?
Isn't that psychobabble?

It is clear there was something wrong with these people's thinking
processes. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more psychobabble as
this story goes on.
There has to be something that separates a responsible gun owner like
you from this waste of oxygen.


I think it is a little different when lay people try to psychoanalyze
someone who has committed a horrific act such as the one in Newtown. The
few professional psychotherapists I have seen interviewed on TV are
rightly reluctant to play that game in the absence of a face to face
evaluation and, of course, that isn't going to happen. Some of the
"symptoms" and behaviors attributed to the shooter suggest
schizophrenia. If that is the case, it manifests itself in many
different ways, and it is silly to think in the absence of evidence the
shooter did what he did for "fame," or to be somebody, or even to "get
even." We may never know what was on his mind. According to my wife, it
is "very interesting" that he killed his mother. Matricide is not
common, even among the severely mentally ill. Particide is a bit more
common, especially where the father has sexually abused his child.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:06:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:07:11 -0500, ESAD wrote:



On 12/18/12 1:41 PM, wrote:



It is clear there was something wrong with these people's thinking

processes. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more psychobabble as

this story goes on.

There has to be something that separates a responsible gun owner like

you from this waste of oxygen.





I think it is a little different when lay people try to psychoanalyze

someone who has committed a horrific act such as the one in Newtown. The

few professional psychotherapists I have seen interviewed on TV are

rightly reluctant to play that game in the absence of a face to face

evaluation and, of course, that isn't going to happen. Some of the

"symptoms" and behaviors attributed to the shooter suggest

schizophrenia. If that is the case, it manifests itself in many

different ways, and it is silly to think in the absence of evidence the

shooter did what he did for "fame," or to be somebody, or even to "get

even." We may never know what was on his mind. According to my wife, it

is "very interesting" that he killed his mother. Matricide is not

common, even among the severely mentally ill. Particide is a bit more

common, especially where the father has sexually abused his child.





I am not sure "professionals" have a much better grip on why people do
these things.

Child psychologists have gotten us into a lot of the child rearing problems we're in now. The feel good, no red ink, no score keeping bull**** has caused many of the issues we're seeing in the newer generations.

He may have simply shot mom because she was trying to keep him from
taking her guns ... but there certainly could have been other factors.

It's all a guess. I have to wonder why he targeted the school where she worked and kids she worked with. Did he think she loved them more than she loved him?

He was certainly "nuts".

On 12/18/2012 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:06:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:07:11 -0500, ESAD wrote:



On 12/18/12 1:41 PM, wrote:



It is clear there was something wrong with these people's thinking

processes. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more psychobabble as

this story goes on.

There has to be something that separates a responsible gun owner like

you from this waste of oxygen.





I think it is a little different when lay people try to psychoanalyze

someone who has committed a horrific act such as the one in Newtown. The

few professional psychotherapists I have seen interviewed on TV are

rightly reluctant to play that game in the absence of a face to face

evaluation and, of course, that isn't going to happen. Some of the

"symptoms" and behaviors attributed to the shooter suggest

schizophrenia. If that is the case, it manifests itself in many

different ways, and it is silly to think in the absence of evidence the

shooter did what he did for "fame," or to be somebody, or even to "get

even." We may never know what was on his mind. According to my wife, it

is "very interesting" that he killed his mother. Matricide is not

common, even among the severely mentally ill. Particide is a bit more

common, especially where the father has sexually abused his child.





I am not sure "professionals" have a much better grip on why people do
these things.

Child psychologists have gotten us into a lot of the child rearing problems we're in now. The feel good, no red ink, no score keeping bull**** has caused many of the issues we're seeing in the newer generations.

He may have simply shot mom because she was trying to keep him from
taking her guns ... but there certainly could have been other factors.

It's all a guess. I have to wonder why he targeted the school where she worked and kids she worked with. Did he think she loved them more than she loved him?

Yes...

He was certainly "nuts".

In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:06:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:07:11 -0500, ESAD wrote:



On 12/18/12 1:41 PM, wrote:



It is clear there was something wrong with these people's thinking

processes. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more psychobabble as

this story goes on.

There has to be something that separates a responsible gun owner like

you from this waste of oxygen.





I think it is a little different when lay people try to psychoanalyze

someone who has committed a horrific act such as the one in Newtown. The

few professional psychotherapists I have seen interviewed on TV are

rightly reluctant to play that game in the absence of a face to face

evaluation and, of course, that isn't going to happen. Some of the

"symptoms" and behaviors attributed to the shooter suggest

schizophrenia. If that is the case, it manifests itself in many

different ways, and it is silly to think in the absence of evidence the

shooter did what he did for "fame," or to be somebody, or even to "get

even." We may never know what was on his mind. According to my wife, it

is "very interesting" that he killed his mother. Matricide is not

common, even among the severely mentally ill. Particide is a bit more

common, especially where the father has sexually abused his child.





I am not sure "professionals" have a much better grip on why people do
these things.

Child psychologists have gotten us into a lot of the child rearing problems we're in now. The feel good, no red ink, no score keeping bull**** has caused many of the issues we're seeing in the newer generations.

He may have simply shot mom because she was trying to keep him from
taking her guns ... but there certainly could have been other factors.

It's all a guess. I have to wonder why he targeted the school where she worked and kids she worked with. Did he think she loved them more than she loved him?

Yes...

He was certainly "nuts".


Yes, what? She didn't work there.

In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:06:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:07:11 -0500, ESAD wrote:



On 12/18/12 1:41 PM, wrote:



It is clear there was something wrong with these people's thinking

processes. I am sure we will be hearing a lot more psychobabble as

this story goes on.

There has to be something that separates a responsible gun owner like

you from this waste of oxygen.





I think it is a little different when lay people try to psychoanalyze

someone who has committed a horrific act such as the one in Newtown. The

few professional psychotherapists I have seen interviewed on TV are

rightly reluctant to play that game in the absence of a face to face

evaluation and, of course, that isn't going to happen. Some of the

"symptoms" and behaviors attributed to the shooter suggest

schizophrenia. If that is the case, it manifests itself in many

different ways, and it is silly to think in the absence of evidence the

shooter did what he did for "fame," or to be somebody, or even to "get

even." We may never know what was on his mind. According to my wife, it

is "very interesting" that he killed his mother. Matricide is not

common, even among the severely mentally ill. Particide is a bit more

common, especially where the father has sexually abused his child.





I am not sure "professionals" have a much better grip on why people do
these things.

Child psychologists have gotten us into a lot of the child rearing problems we're in now. The feel good, no red ink, no score keeping bull**** has caused many of the issues we're seeing in the newer generations.

He may have simply shot mom because she was trying to keep him from
taking her guns ... but there certainly could have been other factors.

It's all a guess. I have to wonder why he targeted the school where she worked and kids she worked with. Did he think she loved them more than she loved him?

He was certainly "nuts".

It's rather confusing but it seems like now that she's not affiliated
with the school.

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