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Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote:
Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." Shoot. If they were illegal immigrants, then the problem would be nonexistent. Better stick with guns, jps. Otherwise some folks may think the acronym means 'just plain stupid'. Of course, that's better than 'Eatin' **** and Dyin'! |
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More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. Then why are states allowing illegal immigrants to enroll in state colleges paying the resident tuition rates. Because they are living in that state?? Would these STEM graduates not be adding value to the country with their work? Do your employees add nothing to the country but the expenditure of their paychecks? If they add nothing, why give them money? Earlier you said you paid more than union wages. Are your employees members of a union? Why not? And, how would you know how much they would demand from you if they were union employees? Stick to guns. Guns, that the way, Racist John. |
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More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:42:23 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. === Unfortunately there is a lot of truth to that. Part of the problem however is with our media and popular culture which frequently portrays technical jobs as being "uncool", along with the people who work in those areas. There are exceptions of course but I also think it's true that engineers are not as well rewarded as some our other professionals and business managers. That is pretty much true if you are working for a big corporation. Places like Apple and HP know they can hire an Asian immigrant who will work harder and take less pay than the average American. Unfortunately the alternative is simply off shoring the job. If you are Dilbert in a cube, that cube can as easily be in Mumbai. The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. Most rewarding, unfortunately, is being a money mover. They produce nothing and make the most. Part of that equation is that you have to really have two jobs. One is engineering, the other is running a heavily regulated and paperwork insane business. |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote:
The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. === How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how they become qualified. |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. So you don't think the innovation and keeping the job here has any value at all? Don't these immigrants have to buy houses, cars, food and all of the other things that make it worth living here? You sound like you have been listening to Rush too long. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? |
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More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. So you don't think the innovation and keeping the job here has any value at all? Don't these immigrants have to buy houses, cars, food and all of the other things that make it worth living here? You sound like you have been listening to Rush too long. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Mental wealth redistribution. Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. A whole lot of that is due to the union 'protection' afforded worthless 'teachers' (term used very loosely here). |
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GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. So you don't think the innovation and keeping the job here has any value at all? Don't these immigrants have to buy houses, cars, food and all of the other things that make it worth living here? You sound like you have been listening to Rush too long. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Mental wealth redistribution. Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. A whole lot of that is due to the union 'protection' afforded worthless 'teachers' (term used very loosely here). BULL****. |
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In article , says...
GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. So you don't think the innovation and keeping the job here has any value at all? Don't these immigrants have to buy houses, cars, food and all of the other things that make it worth living here? You sound like you have been listening to Rush too long. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Mental wealth redistribution. Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. A whole lot of that is due to the union 'protection' afforded worthless 'teachers' (term used very loosely here). BULL****. Do teachers pay taxes, I think they do. I know there are some union hacks who don't pay taxes. |
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says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:22:41 -0800, jps wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:34:27 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:11:00 -0800, jps wrote: Eager to help the already rich, Republicans can't wait to make US-based engineering and technical positions more easily available to foriegn students. Republican job cremators. They can't abide investing in Americans for those jobs, because two, three or four years is too long to wait to satisfy their quarter-to-quarter buddies in the tech sector. "The STEM Jobs Act, a bill that would make it easier for immigrants studying science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) in American universities to work in the U.S., is expected to pass a House vote today with the support of most Republicans and some Democrats (it did)." How is this short term thinking? We simply can't get American kids to take these courses. They prefer a softer course load. If we don't hire these immigrants, the job will follow them back to Asia or India and we will lose the education plus the job. The majority of the $ goes back home to the immigrant's family. Less gets invested in the local economy and our standard of living continues to deteriorate. So you don't think the innovation and keeping the job here has any value at all? Don't these immigrants have to buy houses, cars, food and all of the other things that make it worth living here? You sound like you have been listening to Rush too long. We have plenty of kids available to take these courses. We're selling those seats to the highest bidders because state colleges are underfunded and desperate for higher tuitions that come from out of state (country) students. You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Sadly, I do get it. Why do you think I have stayed in Montgomery County Maryland for my childrens K-12 schooling? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools- insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one-- again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/06...-high-schools- ranked-among-top-500-in-nation-62610.html The problem is that it costs too much to live here if you don't have children in school. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote: The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. === How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how they become qualified. You need to take a qualifying test, and then work under the supervision of a PE. Then pass a state test and be signed off by a PE. I took the first test Engineer In Training EIT when I graduated university. My problem was I worked in companies without a PE, and most of the computer peripheral makers did not have a PE on staff. So was in a non PE position. Basically a PE says you know what you are doing and are liable for your output. |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote: The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. === How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how they become qualified. Undergrad degree, Engineer In Training for 4 years, then take the PE exam. Most fail it at least once. |
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. === Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more important than actual learning. |
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In article ,
says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international |
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On 12/6/2012 2:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. === Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more important than actual learning. All they really have to do is stop indoctrinating, and start teaching reading, writing, math, and science. Right now, these subjects are mostly just names for social engineering classes. My kids did gay rights projects, in Science class for **** sakes... |
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. === Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more important than actual learning. When my oldest daughter was in 3rd grade I attended one of her parent/teacher conferences. The teacher told me that she was having some trouble with math. I quickly responded asking the teacher what resources I could use to help my daughter with math. The teacher was taken aback because she didn't expect a parent to care or want to help. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote: The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. === How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how they become qualified. Undergrad degree, Engineer In Training for 4 years, then take the PE exam. Most fail it at least once. You can't even take the PE test, you are a glorified AutoCAD operator. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. === Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more important than actual learning. When my oldest daughter was in 3rd grade I attended one of her parent/teacher conferences. The teacher told me that she was having some trouble with math. I quickly responded asking the teacher what resources I could use to help my daughter with math. The teacher was taken aback because she didn't expect a parent to care or want to help. Yup! |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote: The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up from there depending on how good a business person you are. === How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how they become qualified. Undergrad degree, Engineer In Training for 4 years, then take the PE exam. Most fail it at least once. You can't even take the PE test, you are a glorified AutoCAD operator. ???? |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On Friday, December 7, 2012 8:23:29 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. Really? Then explain exactly how it does, complete with quotes from your link. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On 12/7/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. Hold on there, fella. I know a tree stump that is smarter than some of the posters here. Well, I *knew* such a tree stump. "Stumpy" is no more, having died of lead poisoning. "Dumber than a stump" would be a better phrase. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:33:09 -0500, JustWait
wrote: On 12/6/2012 2:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote: You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are not taking the science and engineering courses. Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against? (not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?) Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete. You admit they already get a big break on tuition Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck. We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around #26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks. You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the cost of our own kids having seats. From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational histories. Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy families. Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to keep the country competitive. Get it? Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who apply and are rejected? As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate. He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. === Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more important than actual learning. All they really have to do is stop indoctrinating, and start teaching reading, writing, math, and science. Right now, these subjects are mostly just names for social engineering classes. My kids did gay rights projects, in Science class for **** sakes... More spew from Snotty's ass. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:23:29 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. You still have not addressed the fact that immigrants, particularly Asians do much better in graduation rates and grades than Americans. That was what we were talking about. In fact they have adjusted the testing standards so Asians have to actually do better than Caucasians and much better than Hispanics and Blacks to get the same credit threepants said that "higher degrees were award (sic) to students who were 75-80% foreign. my link proves that wrong but he can't figure out how. |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:48:10 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:23:29 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have.. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. You still have not addressed the fact that immigrants, particularly Asians do much better in graduation rates and grades than Americans. That was what we were talking about. In fact they have adjusted the testing standards so Asians have to actually do better than Caucasians and much better than Hispanics and Blacks to get the same credit threepants said that "higher degrees were award (sic) to students who were 75-80% foreign. my link proves that wrong but he can't figure out how. Wow, you're dumb. Here Kevin, I'll help. The fact that a college's student body is 15% foreign doesn't prevent the fact that when handing out Master or Doctorate degrees 75% of the recipients were foreign. The locals dropped out or got a Bachelor degree. Some light starting to peek through? |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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says... On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:48:10 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:23:29 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. You still have not addressed the fact that immigrants, particularly Asians do much better in graduation rates and grades than Americans. That was what we were talking about. In fact they have adjusted the testing standards so Asians have to actually do better than Caucasians and much better than Hispanics and Blacks to get the same credit threepants said that "higher degrees were award (sic) to students who were 75-80% foreign. my link proves that wrong but he can't figure out how. Wow, you're dumb. Here Kevin, I'll help. The fact that a college's student body is 15% foreign doesn't prevent the fact that when handing out Master or Doctorate degrees 75% of the recipients were foreign. The locals dropped out or got a Bachelor degree. Some light starting to peek through? Cite? |
More short-term thinking from Repubicans
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On 12/7/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball. Bull****. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best- colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote. If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump. Hold on there, fella. I know a tree stump that is smarter than some of the posters here. Well, I *knew* such a tree stump. "Stumpy" is no more, having died of lead poisoning. "Dumber than a stump" would be a better phrase. Paying your taxes is a moral and ethical imperative for liberals except when it comes to the liberal actually pay his taxes, huh Harry? |
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