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On 11/30/12 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:48:19 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 11/30/12 1:03 AM, JustWait wrote:

I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.


Well, that certainly explains your vast knowledge of "things computer."


It was the typical understanding everyone had of an EAM room. There
were lots of big gray boxes but the sorter was the most interesting to
look at because you could really see something happening. (in spite of
that being the simplest machine in the room)
This is why that is always the images you see on old movies.

By a like token, if you look at a "computer room" images they always
show tape drives. (again, one of the simplest boxes in the room)


The first computer I ever saw "up close and personal" was in the offices
of an NGO. I knew what it was, but I had no idea what its purpose was.
It was behind glass walls on a raised floor, and it was surrounded by
acolytes, several of whom were carrying holy clipboards.

Was that before you failed to pay taxes and other debt? One would wonder
why you didn't pay your fair share when you claim that you are well off
because of your father's marina and the shopping center you claim to
own.

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On 11/30/2012 12:38 AM, Califbill wrote:
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:25:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:28:00 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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http://www.sfgate.com/business/tech/...orld-s-oldest-
digital-computers-52982.php


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Seems to be European centrist. Left out the early IBM's, the early
UNIVAC,
The early desktop Wang Computer.

There toward the end they have that little girl looking up at a
370/m155 and the picture before that has a 360/m20 and a string of
2401 tape drives but they are not credited as being IBM.



-----------------------

We replaced a 360/m20 at Macy's Calif in about 1966. Was a no mag
file 360.
All card and paper tape. We replaced it with an NCR 315 with mag
tapes.
Worked for NCR in those days. I could not believe that IBM could
supply a
360 without tapes. (for the youngsters, was not disk drives as you
know
them.)

The Mod 20 was always a niche machine that was dropped into unit
record accounts with a software package that was intuitive for people
who were used to wiring 407 boards.
I never had a mod 20 account myself but I was in them occasionally.
Most were card only because that was what these people understood. If
they stepped up, we sold them a mod 30 or a 25.
Some went straight to a 3125 and VSE after years of hanging on to
cards.

As an aside, the real reason states get rid of punch card voting
machines is because it is hard finding a system with a card reader on
it. (not Bush v Gore)
IBM got out of the card reader business years ago


------------------------------

I still have a couple cases of Tab Cards (only IBM called them some
other name). True on card readers. NCR had the best of them, 2000 card
a minute reader, and hardest to read was an almost blank card, as that
show any slippage. We marketed it, but was made by (senior moment) the
main maker of postage machines, NCR 380. Pitney-Bowes.


I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.

Bull****.


-------------------
Why do you state BS? The computers were that big. My wife reminds friends
at time of her first visit with me to a mainframe computer room in about
1966. These were NCR 315's with mag tapes and CRAM units ( random magnetic
card file) plus line printers. About 20,000 address, 12 bit, memory
(decimal) and a line printer. Filled a huge room. The Memory Bay's were 8'
long for 10k of memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_CRAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_315
IMAGES
http://www.google.com/search?q=ncr+3...w=1280&bih=609

On 11/30/2012 6:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article , says...

On 11/30/2012 12:38 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message news
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:25:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:28:00 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

http://www.sfgate.com/business/tech/...orld-s-oldest-
digital-computers-52982.php


-----------------------

Seems to be European centrist. Left out the early IBM's, the early
UNIVAC,
The early desktop Wang Computer.

There toward the end they have that little girl looking up at a
370/m155 and the picture before that has a 360/m20 and a string of
2401 tape drives but they are not credited as being IBM.



-----------------------

We replaced a 360/m20 at Macy's Calif in about 1966. Was a no mag
file 360.
All card and paper tape. We replaced it with an NCR 315 with mag
tapes.
Worked for NCR in those days. I could not believe that IBM could
supply a
360 without tapes. (for the youngsters, was not disk drives as you
know
them.)

The Mod 20 was always a niche machine that was dropped into unit
record accounts with a software package that was intuitive for people
who were used to wiring 407 boards.
I never had a mod 20 account myself but I was in them occasionally.
Most were card only because that was what these people understood. If
they stepped up, we sold them a mod 30 or a 25.
Some went straight to a 3125 and VSE after years of hanging on to
cards.

As an aside, the real reason states get rid of punch card voting
machines is because it is hard finding a system with a card reader on
it. (not Bush v Gore)
IBM got out of the card reader business years ago


------------------------------

I still have a couple cases of Tab Cards (only IBM called them some
other name). True on card readers. NCR had the best of them, 2000
card
a minute reader, and hardest to read was an almost blank card, as that
show any slippage. We marketed it, but was made by (senior moment)
the
main maker of postage machines, NCR 380. Pitney-Bowes.


I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.

Bull****.


-------------------
Why do you state BS? The computers were that big. My wife reminds
friends at time of her first visit with me to a mainframe computer room
in about 1966. These were NCR 315's with mag tapes and CRAM units (
random magnetic card file) plus line printers. About 20,000 address, 12
bit, memory (decimal) and a line printer. Filled a huge room. The
Memory Bay's were 8' long for 10k of memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_CRAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_315
IMAGES
http://www.google.com/search?q=ncr+3...w=1280&bih=609



Yup, the sorter was in a double classroom in the High School, it was the
town computer. My mom used to run punch cards for hours. I remember
being amazed that the rooms were air conditioned in the summer when my
mom was in there doing I think the class schedules for the school system.

In article , says...

On 11/30/12 1:03 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/30/2012 12:38 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message news
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:25:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:28:00 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

http://www.sfgate.com/business/tech/...orld-s-oldest-
digital-computers-52982.php


-----------------------

Seems to be European centrist. Left out the early IBM's, the early
UNIVAC,
The early desktop Wang Computer.

There toward the end they have that little girl looking up at a
370/m155 and the picture before that has a 360/m20 and a string of
2401 tape drives but they are not credited as being IBM.



-----------------------

We replaced a 360/m20 at Macy's Calif in about 1966. Was a no mag
file 360.
All card and paper tape. We replaced it with an NCR 315 with mag tapes.
Worked for NCR in those days. I could not believe that IBM could
supply a
360 without tapes. (for the youngsters, was not disk drives as you know
them.)

The Mod 20 was always a niche machine that was dropped into unit
record accounts with a software package that was intuitive for people
who were used to wiring 407 boards.
I never had a mod 20 account myself but I was in them occasionally.
Most were card only because that was what these people understood. If
they stepped up, we sold them a mod 30 or a 25.
Some went straight to a 3125 and VSE after years of hanging on to
cards.

As an aside, the real reason states get rid of punch card voting
machines is because it is hard finding a system with a card reader on
it. (not Bush v Gore)
IBM got out of the card reader business years ago


------------------------------

I still have a couple cases of Tab Cards (only IBM called them some
other name). True on card readers. NCR had the best of them, 2000 card
a minute reader, and hardest to read was an almost blank card, as that
show any slippage. We marketed it, but was made by (senior moment) the
main maker of postage machines, NCR 380. Pitney-Bowes.


I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.


Well, that certainly explains your vast knowledge of "things computer."

Pay your taxes!

On 11/30/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Was that before you failed to pay taxes and other debt?

Don't you ever get bored of this bull****?

In article , lid says...

On 11/30/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Was that before you failed to pay taxes and other debt?

Don't you ever get bored of this bull****?

Not when the current administration is trying to raise everyone's taxes.

We should all pay our fair share but, Harry feels that he doesn't need
to pay his fair share.

Whatever moral high ground Harry thought he occupied on any issue has
been lost forever and he should be kicked to the curb at every possible
turn.

On 11/30/2012 7:23 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 11/30/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Was that before you failed to pay taxes and other debt?

Don't you ever get bored of this bull****?

Not when the current administration is trying to raise everyone's taxes.

We should all pay our fair share but, Harry feels that he doesn't need
to pay his fair share.

Whatever moral high ground Harry thought he occupied on any issue has
been lost forever and he should be kicked to the curb at every possible
turn.

Then I won't bother reading you.

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article , says...

On 11/30/2012 12:38 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message news
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:25:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:28:00 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

http://www.sfgate.com/business/tech/...orld-s-oldest-
digital-computers-52982.php


-----------------------

Seems to be European centrist. Left out the early IBM's, the early
UNIVAC,
The early desktop Wang Computer.

There toward the end they have that little girl looking up at a
370/m155 and the picture before that has a 360/m20 and a string of
2401 tape drives but they are not credited as being IBM.



-----------------------

We replaced a 360/m20 at Macy's Calif in about 1966. Was a no mag
file 360.
All card and paper tape. We replaced it with an NCR 315 with mag
tapes.
Worked for NCR in those days. I could not believe that IBM could
supply a
360 without tapes. (for the youngsters, was not disk drives as you
know
them.)

The Mod 20 was always a niche machine that was dropped into unit
record accounts with a software package that was intuitive for people
who were used to wiring 407 boards.
I never had a mod 20 account myself but I was in them occasionally.
Most were card only because that was what these people understood. If
they stepped up, we sold them a mod 30 or a 25.
Some went straight to a 3125 and VSE after years of hanging on to
cards.

As an aside, the real reason states get rid of punch card voting
machines is because it is hard finding a system with a card reader on
it. (not Bush v Gore)
IBM got out of the card reader business years ago


------------------------------

I still have a couple cases of Tab Cards (only IBM called them some
other name). True on card readers. NCR had the best of them, 2000 card
a minute reader, and hardest to read was an almost blank card, as that
show any slippage. We marketed it, but was made by (senior moment) the
main maker of postage machines, NCR 380. Pitney-Bowes.


I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.

Bull****.


-------------------
Why do you state BS? The computers were that big. My wife reminds friends
at time of her first visit with me to a mainframe computer room in about
1966. These were NCR 315's with mag tapes and CRAM units ( random magnetic
card file) plus line printers. About 20,000 address, 12 bit, memory
(decimal) and a line printer. Filled a huge room. The Memory Bay's were 8'
long for 10k of memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_CRAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_315
IMAGES
http://www.google.com/search?q=ncr+3...w=1280&bih=609

Has nothing to do with bull****. It's SCOTTY'S bull****. He's been
making up stories about his IT experience and now he's making up stories
about his moms. I well remember how big computers were, but again, you
totally missed the point.

In article , says...

On 11/30/2012 6:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , says...

On 11/30/2012 12:38 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message news
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:25:48 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:28:00 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

http://www.sfgate.com/business/tech/...orld-s-oldest-
digital-computers-52982.php


-----------------------

Seems to be European centrist. Left out the early IBM's, the early
UNIVAC,
The early desktop Wang Computer.

There toward the end they have that little girl looking up at a
370/m155 and the picture before that has a 360/m20 and a string of
2401 tape drives but they are not credited as being IBM.



-----------------------

We replaced a 360/m20 at Macy's Calif in about 1966. Was a no mag
file 360.
All card and paper tape. We replaced it with an NCR 315 with mag
tapes.
Worked for NCR in those days. I could not believe that IBM could
supply a
360 without tapes. (for the youngsters, was not disk drives as you
know
them.)

The Mod 20 was always a niche machine that was dropped into unit
record accounts with a software package that was intuitive for people
who were used to wiring 407 boards.
I never had a mod 20 account myself but I was in them occasionally.
Most were card only because that was what these people understood. If
they stepped up, we sold them a mod 30 or a 25.
Some went straight to a 3125 and VSE after years of hanging on to
cards.

As an aside, the real reason states get rid of punch card voting
machines is because it is hard finding a system with a card reader on
it. (not Bush v Gore)
IBM got out of the card reader business years ago


------------------------------

I still have a couple cases of Tab Cards (only IBM called them some
other name). True on card readers. NCR had the best of them, 2000
card
a minute reader, and hardest to read was an almost blank card, as that
show any slippage. We marketed it, but was made by (senior moment)
the
main maker of postage machines, NCR 380. Pitney-Bowes.


I remember boxes of cards in our house. Hell, I made forts with them. I
was a bit young, probably 6-8 when my mom ran the town school
"computer"... It was in two air conditioned classrooms and had the big
sorting machine with the with the cards running through.

Bull****.


-------------------
Why do you state BS? The computers were that big. My wife reminds
friends at time of her first visit with me to a mainframe computer room
in about 1966. These were NCR 315's with mag tapes and CRAM units (
random magnetic card file) plus line printers. About 20,000 address, 12
bit, memory (decimal) and a line printer. Filled a huge room. The
Memory Bay's were 8' long for 10k of memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_CRAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCR_315
IMAGES
http://www.google.com/search?q=ncr+3...w=1280&bih=609



Yup, the sorter was in a double classroom in the High School, it was the
town computer. My mom used to run punch cards for hours. I remember
being amazed that the rooms were air conditioned in the summer when my
mom was in there doing I think the class schedules for the school system.

Like I said, just like your alleged ISP company, it's bull****.

In article , lid says...

On 11/30/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Was that before you failed to pay taxes and other debt?

Don't you ever get bored of this bull****?

No.