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If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar
and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article.

"Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out,
the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their
effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they
become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems,
designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In
just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. "

And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap?
If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for
it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as
that is just shifting who pays the money.

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh
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If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar
and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article.

"Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out,
the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their
effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they
become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems,
designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In
just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. "

And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap?
If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for
it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as
that is just shifting who pays the money.

Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive,
unreliable, etc.

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:20:17 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh
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If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar
and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article.

"Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out,
the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their
effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they
become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems,
designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In
just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. "

And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap?
If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for
it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as
that is just shifting who pays the money.

Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive,
unreliable, etc.

And an alarming number remain that way until they fade away.
Go find a stack of popular mechanics magazines from the 50s and 60s
and you will see that far more than half of their "wonderful
inventions" are not with us today.

As Tim Wilson says "where the **** is my jet pack?"
http://forum.grasscity.com/music-gen...im-wilson.html

Yeah, the car, the bike, the lawnmower, the electric light, the outboard
motor, the refrigerator, the air conditioner, the cotton gin, the steam
engine, the rifle, and on and on...... All too expensive and unreliable
when first brought out......

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:21:47 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive,
unreliable, etc.

And an alarming number remain that way until they fade away.
Go find a stack of popular mechanics magazines from the 50s and 60s
and you will see that far more than half of their "wonderful
inventions" are not with us today.

As Tim Wilson says "where the **** is my jet pack?"
http://forum.grasscity.com/music-gen...im-wilson.html

Yeah, the car, the bike, the lawnmower, the electric light, the outboard
motor, the refrigerator, the air conditioner, the cotton gin, the steam
engine, the rifle, and on and on...... All too expensive and unreliable
when first brought out......

An alarming number of failed designs in all of those products were
hyped to the max and then discarded.
Where is the turbine car? The Wankel? The gyrojet rifle? The Lisa? The
Betamax? the 8 track?

The point is that just because someone comes out with a product that
seems to be better (like Beta and the 8 track), time and the market
will decide if it really succeeds.

How many of those products were government subsidized like a Tesla car?

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:21:47 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive,
unreliable, etc.

And an alarming number remain that way until they fade away.
Go find a stack of popular mechanics magazines from the 50s and 60s
and you will see that far more than half of their "wonderful
inventions" are not with us today.

As Tim Wilson says "where the **** is my jet pack?"
http://forum.grasscity.com/music-gen...im-wilson.html

Yeah, the car, the bike, the lawnmower, the electric light, the outboard
motor, the refrigerator, the air conditioner, the cotton gin, the steam
engine, the rifle, and on and on...... All too expensive and unreliable
when first brought out......

An alarming number of failed designs in all of those products were
hyped to the max and then discarded.
Where is the turbine car? The Wankel? The gyrojet rifle? The Lisa? The
Betamax? the 8 track?

The point is that just because someone comes out with a product that
seems to be better (like Beta and the 8 track), time and the market
will decide if it really succeeds.

How many of those products were government subsidized like a Tesla car?

Actually, through various grants and subsidies, quite a lot of them.

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:50 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:


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Time will tell, This isn't the first great idea I have seen that
didn't pan out.

This is the kind of research the government should be nursing along.

Solyndra failed because they were trying to sell a high priced panel
that was technically better but could not sell into the competition of
a low tech panel from China for a quarter the price

Everybody wants a Ferrari but, most can only afford a Ford Focus.

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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:58:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:50 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh

Time will tell, This isn't the first great idea I have seen that
didn't pan out.

Solyndra failed because they were trying to sell a high priced panel
that was technically better but could not sell into the competition of
a low tech panel from China for a quarter the price

Good old Yankee ingenuity. Eventually, we'll figure out how to do it.

I'm 150% in favor of anything that will impoverish the Arabs and the
Chinese.

ANWR, Virginia Coast, Gulf of Mexico, California Coast.

There are lots of things we can do to reduce our dependence upon foreign
oil. The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not
practicable.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not
practicable.

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Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or
another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible.

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not
practicable.

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Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or
another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible.

Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is
critical to manufacturing.