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yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey
shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! |
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On Oct 27, 5:07*pm, bob wrote:
yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote:
yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! It looks like it's going right between New York and DC. Time to get gas for the generator, although we've never been without electricity for more than a few hours. Dominion does a good job. This one has me worried also. Never felt that way before. Glad I've got a spare bottle of propane for the grill and a generator for the fridge. Should keep us alive for a while. |
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On 10/27/2012 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! Yeah, I am gonna' get hit hard here from what I can see in CT. |
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On Oct 28, 12:48*am, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about 5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) |
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On Oct 28, 3:34*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote: On Oct 28, 12:48*am, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about *5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) My niece lives in Hawaii, and the Tsunami sirens have been going off 5 hrs. ago |
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On Oct 28, 7:53*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:34*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 28, 12:48*am, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about *5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) My niece lives in Hawaii, and the Tsunami sirens have been going off 5 hrs. ago http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/28...anadian-quake/ |
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On 10/28/2012 8:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:34 am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 28, 12:48 am, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about 5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) My niece lives in Hawaii, and the Tsunami sirens have been going off 5 hrs. ago Yeah, I was up. There was a strange quake off the Coast of Canada, very north and any Tsunami would be hitting an area that has never had one hit before I think. Looks like a false alarm cause I don't remember what time it was, but they were an hour into the time for it to hit, there was nothing so far. |
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In article c3dcb63b-b508-4dc4-802d-7512e36fab38
@b9g2000pba.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 28, 12:48*am, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about 5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) You don't have a job. |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:34*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 28, 12:48*am, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 Our place is about *5 miles inland on the Connecticut Shoreline... I guess we will start getting ready after work today:) My niece lives in Hawaii, and the Tsunami sirens have been going off 5 hrs. ago Did anyone see a big hand come out of the clouds and hear a booming voice saying, "You ****ed Me Off!"? |
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says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:13:46 -0400, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:48:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 While it may be just a cat 1, (a very large cat 1, HF winds 105 miles from center ).. Trees and other infrastructure aren't perpared for it. Thusly, many millions will be left without power.. perhaps several weeks. That is true. The people up north do not have houses that were built to any particular wind code. They didn't even put nuts on the J bolts on top of block walls the last time I saw them building houses (late 70s) The walls were just sitting there, assuming that all loads would be down. The roof trusses had 2 16d nails holding them to the top plate and there might only be 20 common nails per sheet holding the roof sheathing down. Shingles get 4 nails. I expect we will see siding blown off, shingles gone, carports and sheds destroyed and some total roof failures. The most noticeable thing will be the trees tho. That is always the first thing that goes and they have lots of old growth trees up there. There is a house a couple of doors away that is currently under renovation inside and outside. The previous owners laid a new set of shingles on top of the old shingles. They have put in new windows and siding. They contractors have been working from sunrise to sunset for the past couple of days trying to get the new siding on the house. |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:47:31 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:13:46 -0400, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:48:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 While it may be just a cat 1, (a very large cat 1, HF winds 105 miles from center ).. Trees and other infrastructure aren't perpared for it. Thusly, many millions will be left without power.. perhaps several weeks. That is true. The people up north do not have houses that were built to any particular wind code. They didn't even put nuts on the J bolts on top of block walls the last time I saw them building houses (late 70s) The walls were just sitting there, assuming that all loads would be down. The roof trusses had 2 16d nails holding them to the top plate and there might only be 20 common nails per sheet holding the roof sheathing down. Shingles get 4 nails. I expect we will see siding blown off, shingles gone, carports and sheds destroyed and some total roof failures. The most noticeable thing will be the trees tho. That is always the first thing that goes and they have lots of old growth trees up there. We've lost a few trees in the neighborhood to storms, but I'm hoping the winds are not as strong here as on the coast. Right now the weather channel is predicting 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. Hopefully, the oaks in the yard will withstand that, although I've got one in the back that's got some dead branches at the top. |
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In article ,
says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:47:31 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:13:46 -0400, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:48:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 While it may be just a cat 1, (a very large cat 1, HF winds 105 miles from center ).. Trees and other infrastructure aren't perpared for it. Thusly, many millions will be left without power.. perhaps several weeks. That is true. The people up north do not have houses that were built to any particular wind code. They didn't even put nuts on the J bolts on top of block walls the last time I saw them building houses (late 70s) The walls were just sitting there, assuming that all loads would be down. The roof trusses had 2 16d nails holding them to the top plate and there might only be 20 common nails per sheet holding the roof sheathing down. Shingles get 4 nails. I expect we will see siding blown off, shingles gone, carports and sheds destroyed and some total roof failures. The most noticeable thing will be the trees tho. That is always the first thing that goes and they have lots of old growth trees up there. We've lost a few trees in the neighborhood to storms, but I'm hoping the winds are not as strong here as on the coast. Right now the weather channel is predicting 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. Hopefully, the oaks in the yard will withstand that, although I've got one in the back that's got some dead branches at the top. Just think about the money you will save if the wind takes them down. |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:49:36 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:47:31 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:13:46 -0400, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:48:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 While it may be just a cat 1, (a very large cat 1, HF winds 105 miles from center ).. Trees and other infrastructure aren't perpared for it. Thusly, many millions will be left without power.. perhaps several weeks. That is true. The people up north do not have houses that were built to any particular wind code. They didn't even put nuts on the J bolts on top of block walls the last time I saw them building houses (late 70s) The walls were just sitting there, assuming that all loads would be down. The roof trusses had 2 16d nails holding them to the top plate and there might only be 20 common nails per sheet holding the roof sheathing down. Shingles get 4 nails. I expect we will see siding blown off, shingles gone, carports and sheds destroyed and some total roof failures. The most noticeable thing will be the trees tho. That is always the first thing that goes and they have lots of old growth trees up there. We've lost a few trees in the neighborhood to storms, but I'm hoping the winds are not as strong here as on the coast. Right now the weather channel is predicting 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. Hopefully, the oaks in the yard will withstand that, although I've got one in the back that's got some dead branches at the top. Just think about the money you will save if the wind takes them down. Might get new roof and carpeting also! |
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says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:49:36 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:47:31 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:13:46 -0400, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:48:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:45 -0400, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! You should be OK that far inland. We don't even put up the shutters for a Cat 1 While it may be just a cat 1, (a very large cat 1, HF winds 105 miles from center ).. Trees and other infrastructure aren't perpared for it. Thusly, many millions will be left without power.. perhaps several weeks. That is true. The people up north do not have houses that were built to any particular wind code. They didn't even put nuts on the J bolts on top of block walls the last time I saw them building houses (late 70s) The walls were just sitting there, assuming that all loads would be down. The roof trusses had 2 16d nails holding them to the top plate and there might only be 20 common nails per sheet holding the roof sheathing down. Shingles get 4 nails. I expect we will see siding blown off, shingles gone, carports and sheds destroyed and some total roof failures. The most noticeable thing will be the trees tho. That is always the first thing that goes and they have lots of old growth trees up there. We've lost a few trees in the neighborhood to storms, but I'm hoping the winds are not as strong here as on the coast. Right now the weather channel is predicting 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. Hopefully, the oaks in the yard will withstand that, although I've got one in the back that's got some dead branches at the top. Just think about the money you will save if the wind takes them down. Might get new roof and carpeting also! Good luck! |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07*pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub |
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On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? |
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On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. |
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On 10/28/2012 10:41 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. You are screwed. Yup, I am guessing three weeks or more with no power this is gonna' suck. |
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On Oct 28, 9:37*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37*pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. ===== Yes, and also get some extra jerry jugs of fuel. If power goes out over a wide spread area, the gas stations can't pump even though they have it. After Hurricane Charlie in 2004 my neighbor and I were taking turns driving 30+ miles to find filling stations that were open. Be careful of carbon monoxide. There are always a few casualties after every big storm from people running the generator too close to the house (or in the garage). |
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On 10/28/2012 11:32 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. Yup, took it out and ran it for a while yesterday... |
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On 10/29/2012 12:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. ===== Yes, and also get some extra jerry jugs of fuel. If power goes out over a wide spread area, the gas stations can't pump even though they have it. After Hurricane Charlie in 2004 my neighbor and I were taking turns driving 30+ miles to find filling stations that were open. Be careful of carbon monoxide. There are always a few casualties after every big storm from people running the generator too close to the house (or in the garage). We have a good spot and are not really in a CO2 situation with the size of the house and the gen outside... Looks like the storm is going to turn north further west of us so at least we won't be that wheel hub that it rotates around, about 60 miles out as we thought... |
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On 10/29/2012 5:31 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/29/2012 12:15 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. ===== Yes, and also get some extra jerry jugs of fuel. If power goes out over a wide spread area, the gas stations can't pump even though they have it. After Hurricane Charlie in 2004 my neighbor and I were taking turns driving 30+ miles to find filling stations that were open. Be careful of carbon monoxide. There are always a few casualties after every big storm from people running the generator too close to the house (or in the garage). We have a good spot and are not really in a CO2 situation with the size of the house and the gen outside... Looks like the storm is going to turn north further west of us so at least we won't be that wheel hub that it rotates around, about 60 miles out as we thought... You mean CO don't you? |
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On Oct 29, 4:01*am, JustWait wrote:
On 10/28/2012 11:32 PM, Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. Yup, took it out and ran it for a while yesterday... Good! |
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On 10/29/2012 5:32 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 10/29/2012 5:31 AM, JustWait wrote: On 10/29/2012 12:15 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. ===== Yes, and also get some extra jerry jugs of fuel. If power goes out over a wide spread area, the gas stations can't pump even though they have it. After Hurricane Charlie in 2004 my neighbor and I were taking turns driving 30+ miles to find filling stations that were open. Be careful of carbon monoxide. There are always a few casualties after every big storm from people running the generator too close to the house (or in the garage). We have a good spot and are not really in a CO2 situation with the size of the house and the gen outside... Looks like the storm is going to turn north further west of us so at least we won't be that wheel hub that it rotates around, about 60 miles out as we thought... You mean CO don't you? Yup. |
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On Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:10:59 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
On Oct 27, 5:07*pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! Good luck to you guys that are going to take a hit from this storm. We just had a windy and cloudy weekend from it here in SC, didn't even get any rain. |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 05:01:08 -0400, JustWait wrote:
On 10/28/2012 11:32 PM, Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. Yup, took it out and ran it for a while yesterday... Me too. That Generac is a noisy little ****. But, it works. |
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On 10/29/2012 11:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
Most wind damage is caused on the leeward side because if negative pressure. Note that this is NOT taking into account airborne debris. Prove it. |
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says... On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:42:11 -0400, GuzzisRule wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:49:36 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... We've lost a few trees in the neighborhood to storms, but I'm hoping the winds are not as strong here as on the coast. Right now the weather channel is predicting 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. Hopefully, the oaks in the yard will withstand that, although I've got one in the back that's got some dead branches at the top. Just think about the money you will save if the wind takes them down. Might get new roof and carpeting also! Just remember, it is not THAT the wind is blowing, it is WHAT the wind is blowing. Like I said we don't usually put down the shutters for a Cat 1 and you are on the low end of tropical storm at 50 MPH gusts but you have a lot more loose **** to blow around. We are pretty careful about anything that will move in the wind since we can get 50-60 MPH gusts just about any afternoon in the summer. 2 or 3 storms a year pretty much thins out the trees but I filled a 30 yard dumpster this spring, getting ready for the summer. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Ficus%20down.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Hort%20dumpster%20full.jpg Most wind damage is caused on the leeward side because if negative pressure. Note that this is NOT taking into account airborne debris. |
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here comes the storm
On 10/29/2012 12:15 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:32:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 28, 9:37 pm, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:30 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/28/2012 10:27 PM, bob wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 27, 5:07 pm, bob wrote: yeah it's headed our way. i'm about 70 miles inland from the jersey shore. boat's out for the winter but it's on blocks so we'll see what happens. hope everyone does well! Hope you can ride it out fine, Bob. And hope the Tolly makes it OK too! thanks tim...will find out wednesday! glub glub Left or right of the eye?? We are in a particularly bad area I think.. As the thing goes west the top edge will be slaughtering us with full force winds, and as it wraps around us and turns to the north and out again, we will be on the right side of the storm for what they feel may be a full 36 hours of full force hurricane rain AND wind... This is gonna' **** us up bad. Maybe not, Scott. Hope not at least, but at least you have your generator handy. Now would be a good time to do a test fire before anything hits. ===== Yes, and also get some extra jerry jugs of fuel. If power goes out over a wide spread area, the gas stations can't pump even though they have it. After Hurricane Charlie in 2004 my neighbor and I were taking turns driving 30+ miles to find filling stations that were open. Be careful of carbon monoxide. There are always a few casualties after every big storm from people running the generator too close to the house (or in the garage). Although I still plan on losing power, it it starting to look to me like the storm is gonna stay south, and then a bit west of us enough that we will probably not get the 36 hour Hurricaine I was expecting yesterday. I guess 50+ Mph winds, with bands, as opposed to 90+ with steady rain... If you are interested, look at a map. I am just east and north of Hartford, on the map at the intersection of route 84 and 91. If you draw a cross on the state that puts us right about in the center of the cross, dead center of the state... |
here comes the storm
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says... On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:06:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Most wind damage is caused on the leeward side because if negative pressure. Note that this is NOT taking into account airborne debris. ... but it is the wind borne debris that causes the most damage ... or falling trees. The reason you put up shutters is to protect from the flying ****, not the wind. About half of the openings in my house now have impact rated windows and we are going to do the rest when we get around to renovating those areas. We are really only talking about 5 windows and they have shutters. The garage door is 150 MPH rated as is the front door and the french doors in the bedroom. All of the openings on the south and east side are current impact code. (9/16" laminated glass) I bet they would stop a small caliber handgun round. When they design for airborne debris there are parameters that are used as far as speed, size of debris, etc. But, wind can still be a bitch in and of itself, especially on the corners where a negative pressure is created. Negative pressures have the greatest effect on the roof. That is why we have a wind code here. Unfortunately they don't up north so I expect to see a lot of roof damage and even total failures. Most houses up there simply have the trusses toe nailed into the top plate, assuming all loads are down. There is absolutely zero uplift protection on the wall itself. You have 2 16d nails in the bottom of the stud and whatever you get from a few nails in celotex sheathing. Basically nothing. Even then, most roof failures get traced back to a failure of the building envelope and internal pressures blowing the roof off. That is why they are so serious about protecting doors and windows. The thing that will save them is that this is a weak cat 1 that will be a TS by the time the eye comes ashore. This will be a bad storm for them but don't confuse it with a hurricane. They call the wind speeds in a cat 2 hurricane a tornado when it hits up there and they have near total destruction in the path. Although I do not have the structural endorsement on my inspector's license, I have taken a lot of the structural courses. I could teach most of the electrical CEUs so I don't take them. I take other disciplines, particularly structural, because it is the most interesting. BTW that book you linked in the note above is good but over the head of most people and it is somewhat dated. Florida updated our wind zones last year. That book is still talking about the 2000 codes. http://gfretwell.com/electrical/2012...code%20map.jpg Corners, where the wind goes around and creates negative pressure is the first place that your siding will rip off. If you see a mobile home that was being towed up the interstate and the siding is coming off, it will be in the back corners. Yes, it is outdated, I didn't bother looking for IBC code books for a specific area or time. The rules have changed but the physics behind it has not. |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:30:04 -0400, JustWait wrote:
Although I still plan on losing power, it it starting to look to me like the storm is gonna stay south, and then a bit west of us enough that we will probably not get the 36 hour Hurricaine I was expecting yesterday. I guess 50+ Mph winds, with bands, as opposed to 90+ with steady rain... If you are interested, look at a map. I am just east and north of Hartford, on the map at the intersection of route 84 and 91. If you draw a cross on the state that puts us right about in the center of the cross, dead center of the state... The Jersey Shore is taking a bit of a battering, but my understanding is it is no longer a hurricane. The wind speeds are enough, but I'm hearing that it has been joined by that other low pressure system. At any rate, it's a very disorganized storm with no eye that I can see. I'm about 70 miles north of where it is to make landfall, and I'm surprised so far. The wind is shaking the trees, but so far I haven't seen many go down, and we have had much less rain than I was expecting. As it hasn't made landfall, this could all change, and I'm sure other places are getting whacked pretty good. |
here comes the storm
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says... On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:46:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:06:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Most wind damage is caused on the leeward side because if negative pressure. Note that this is NOT taking into account airborne debris. ... but it is the wind borne debris that causes the most damage ... or falling trees. The reason you put up shutters is to protect from the flying ****, not the wind. About half of the openings in my house now have impact rated windows and we are going to do the rest when we get around to renovating those areas. We are really only talking about 5 windows and they have shutters. The garage door is 150 MPH rated as is the front door and the french doors in the bedroom. All of the openings on the south and east side are current impact code. (9/16" laminated glass) I bet they would stop a small caliber handgun round. When they design for airborne debris there are parameters that are used as far as speed, size of debris, etc. But, wind can still be a bitch in and of itself, especially on the corners where a negative pressure is created. Negative pressures have the greatest effect on the roof. That is why we have a wind code here. Unfortunately they don't up north so I expect to see a lot of roof damage and even total failures. Most houses up there simply have the trusses toe nailed into the top plate, assuming all loads are down. There is absolutely zero uplift protection on the wall itself. You have 2 16d nails in the bottom of the stud and whatever you get from a few nails in celotex sheathing. Basically nothing. Even then, most roof failures get traced back to a failure of the building envelope and internal pressures blowing the roof off. That is why they are so serious about protecting doors and windows. The thing that will save them is that this is a weak cat 1 that will be a TS by the time the eye comes ashore. This will be a bad storm for them but don't confuse it with a hurricane. They call the wind speeds in a cat 2 hurricane a tornado when it hits up there and they have near total destruction in the path. Although I do not have the structural endorsement on my inspector's license, I have taken a lot of the structural courses. I could teach most of the electrical CEUs so I don't take them. I take other disciplines, particularly structural, because it is the most interesting. BTW that book you linked in the note above is good but over the head of most people and it is somewhat dated. Florida updated our wind zones last year. That book is still talking about the 2000 codes. http://gfretwell.com/electrical/2012...code%20map.jpg Corners, where the wind goes around and creates negative pressure is the first place that your siding will rip off. If you see a mobile home that was being towed up the interstate and the siding is coming off, it will be in the back corners. Yes, it is outdated, I didn't bother looking for IBC code books for a specific area or time. The rules have changed but the physics behind it has not. Losing your siding is not the issue, although we don't see a lot of it here because it is so easy to lose. The real issue is losing the roof, not just the shingles, the whole damned thing. You do get a significant uplift but when you lose a window on the windward side, it puts pressure in the house and adds tens of thousands of pounds of uplift to what is on top. Even a minimal cat 1 can put ~20,000 pounds in a 2000 sq/ft house. It sure can. Flat roofs for industrial buildings (1/4" per foot or less slope is considered flat) are a big problem as well, because usually there are penthouses and such that want to turn over and once that roof is breached, all hell breaks loose. But I digress, losing siding IS an issue and a big one. It isn't just that the siding is gone, but when, as you say with windows and doors, you have a positive pressure pushing the walls out, you also have a negative pressure on the leeward side. That is why great pains are taken anymore to make sure sheathing is nailed correctly. |
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