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On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? |
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In article om,
says... On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? You're as insane as Scotty, and that's a lot!! |
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On 10/10/2012 12:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om, says... On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? You're as insane as Scotty, and that's a lot!! CITE. |
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In article om,
says... On 10/10/2012 12:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? You're as insane as Scotty, and that's a lot!! CITE. See above. |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:47:38 -0400, Meyer wrote:
On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? He gets to pay for my credit and the free use of the card. |
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On 10/10/2012 3:22 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:47:38 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 10/10/2012 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. I JUST LOVE THE FREE FREE FREE BONUS POINTS AND THE FREE FREE FREE FREE CASH BACK, AND THE FREE FREE FREE CREDIT FOR UP TO 2 MONTHS. AINT IT GRAND TO GET FREE FREE FREE FREE STUFF? WHAT DOES THE CASH BUYER GET FOR FREE FREE FREE? He gets to pay for my credit and the free use of the card. I wonder what Loogys boss thinks when he sees Loogy freaking out at his work station. He'll get caught sooner or later and he'll be poundin the pavement with O'Bama's other failed job placements. |
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... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. |
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On 10/10/2012 8:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. Really, he knows you know that. He knows we all know that... We said "we don't pay credit card fees" obviously referring to the monthly fees and credit charges.... He changed the bar and has been getting you to play for the last few weeks... geeze guys, really???? |
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says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 "Returned to the middle class." What does that mean comrade? |
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On 10/10/2012 9:35 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 "Returned to the middle class." What does that mean comrade? And until the corps trust the Govt to let them make a few bucks, that money will stay just the hell where it is... |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 ---------------------------- I said the credit money. Want to start a business. Yup? Well see if you can get a loan. Those trillion dollar deficits are financed with the available credit money. Very little to go to the lower echelon. History is sort of repeating in this country. 1912, 15% had 65% of the money. 65% of the people lived in poverty. The Great Depression was caused by big government and lack of controls. WW2 was both caused a lot by the depression, but it was what got the USA out of the depression. WW2 also made us the economic powerhouse for a lot of years, as most of the rest of the industrial world was in devastation. But with the elites in power, helping themselves to stay in power, and controlling government, just like now, the allowed companies to merge and build use powerful conglomerates, instead of spending their money on modernizing factories, they spent it buying competitors. Steel left the US as we both ran lower on iron ore, and had old inefficient Bessemer Process foundries. While those devastated countries rebuilt with US help with modern, more efficient factories. And while we controlled 85% of the manufacturing, the management kept overpaying the help, as their was not competition. Now we are paying the price. 60 million functional illiterates' in this country. How are we going to compete? With a dumb, lazy workforce and old factories, and a huge bloated Federal and state government, with the inefficiencies of large bureaucracies. We are screwed in this country. As we have an electorate who is voting for whomever promises the most gimmies. As to cash. There is a finite amount, and the richest probably do not have that much. They have assets. Gold, land, factories, banks. |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. I didn't say the cash buyer wasn't paying those fees, on the contrary, I said the fees were built into the buyer's cost of the product. |
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In article , says...
On 10/10/2012 8:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. Really, he knows you know that. He knows we all know that... We said "we don't pay credit card fees" obviously referring to the monthly fees and credit charges.... He changed the bar and has been getting you to play for the last few weeks... geeze guys, really???? OH, no, John said his credit was free. Period. It's not. I changed NOTHING about my original statement, you moron. Go shovel enough **** to get your family a meal. |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 Uh oh, there you go, confusing them with FACTS. They only listen to what FOX tells them! |
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In article , says...
On 10/10/2012 9:35 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 "Returned to the middle class." What does that mean comrade? And until the corps trust the Govt to let them make a few bucks, that money will stay just the hell where it is... Insane Scotty strikes again!!! |
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On 10/11/2012 8:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/10/2012 9:35 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 "Returned to the middle class." What does that mean comrade? And until the corps trust the Govt to let them make a few bucks, that money will stay just the hell where it is... Insane Scotty strikes again!!! It's only going to get worse unless we change something. Scotty's right. |
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On 10/11/2012 8:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
I didn't say the cash buyer wasn't paying those fees, on the contrary, I said the fees were built into the buyer's cost of the product. Well golly gee. There's a spark of life in that pea brain of yours. ps: I Hope you're out looking for a job. It's just a matter of time till your boss catches you stealing from him and gives you the boot. |
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On 10/11/2012 8:44 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/10/2012 8:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. Really, he knows you know that. He knows we all know that... We said "we don't pay credit card fees" obviously referring to the monthly fees and credit charges.... He changed the bar and has been getting you to play for the last few weeks... geeze guys, really???? OH, no, John said his credit was free. Period. It's not. I changed NOTHING about my original statement, you moron. Go shovel enough **** to get your family a meal. Loogy is having a Slammeresque moment. |
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On 10/11/2012 9:05 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 10/11/2012 8:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/10/2012 9:35 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 "Returned to the middle class." What does that mean comrade? And until the corps trust the Govt to let them make a few bucks, that money will stay just the hell where it is... Insane Scotty strikes again!!! It's only going to get worse unless we change something. Scotty's right. Well of course I am. All you have to do is turn on something besides MSNBC and listen to the business leaders. |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 WTF? Returned to the middle class = what? Monthly checks? Lump sum (re)distribution? |
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iBoaterer wrote:
I didn't say the cash buyer wasn't paying those fees, on the contrary, I said the fees were built into the buyer's cost of the product. So credit cost no more than cash unless you eliminate credit entirely - which will never happen - and then the prices my drop a tiny bit? Got it. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 ---------------------------- I said the credit money. Want to start a business. Yup? Well see if you can get a loan. Those trillion dollar deficits are financed with the available credit money. Very little to go to the lower echelon. History is sort of repeating in this country. 1912, 15% had 65% of the money. 65% of the people lived in poverty. The Great Depression was caused by big government and lack of controls. WW2 was both caused a lot by the depression, but it was what got the USA out of the depression. WW2 also made us the economic powerhouse for a lot of years, as most of the rest of the industrial world was in devastation. But with the elites in power, helping themselves to stay in power, and controlling government, just like now, the allowed companies to merge and build use powerful conglomerates, instead of spending their money on modernizing factories, they spent it buying competitors. Steel left the US as we both ran lower on iron ore, and had old inefficient Bessemer Process foundries. While those devastated countries rebuilt with US help with modern, more efficient factories. And while we controlled 85% of the manufacturing, the management kept overpaying the help, as their was not competition. Now we are paying the price. 60 million functional illiterates' in this country. How are we going to compete? With a dumb, lazy workforce and old factories, and a huge bloated Federal and state government, with the inefficiencies of large bureaucracies. We are screwed in this country. As we have an electorate who is voting for whomever promises the most gimmies. As to cash. There is a finite amount, and the richest probably do not have that much. They have assets. Gold, land, factories, banks. --------------------------------------------------------- Add to the mix: Many don't like to hear the "E" word, but unfortunately, it's a major part of the equation. Since 1960 Federal Government entitlement programs have grown by 727 percent. That's not a typo. 727 percent. The cost of benefits and direct payments for federal entitlement programs continues to grow at a rate of 4 percent per year. 50 percent of Americans now receive some form of federal entitlement benefit or direct payment. Both of the dominate political parties have had a hand in the growth of these programs. Note: This is in *addition* to things like Social Security payouts which are not really an "entitlement" although some like to call it that. The Federal Government doesn't earn money to pay for these programs. They distribute tax revenues ... or borrow money ... to pay for them. If banks are reluctant to lend and big corporations are reluctant to invest in expansion, you really can't expect people to voluntarily give up earned wealth or pay additional taxes so that the politicians in Washington can spend it on their favorite programs. It might be nice to think they should but it's an unrealistic expectation. We are at the point where a decision has to be made. Is this country going to continue it's march towards socialism? Or, is it going to strive to be the land of "equal opportunity"? My bet is on the former. To the liberals in the group: Don't waste your time beating me up with the "got mine, screw you" routine. That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about a much more potent and powerful trend that this country has been on and I think it's probably now too late to reverse course. |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:48:39 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 ---------------------------- I said the credit money. Want to start a business. Yup? Well see if you can get a loan. Those trillion dollar deficits are financed with the available credit money. Very little to go to the lower echelon. History is sort of repeating in this country. 1912, 15% had 65% of the money. 65% of the people lived in poverty. The Great Depression was caused by big government and lack of controls. WW2 was both caused a lot by the depression, but it was what got the USA out of the depression. WW2 also made us the economic powerhouse for a lot of years, as most of the rest of the industrial world was in devastation. But with the elites in power, helping themselves to stay in power, and controlling government, just like now, the allowed companies to merge and build use powerful conglomerates, instead of spending their money on modernizing factories, they spent it buying competitors. Steel left the US as we both ran lower on iron ore, and had old inefficient Bessemer Process foundries. While those devastated countries rebuilt with US help with modern, more efficient factories. And while we controlled 85% of the manufacturing, the management kept overpaying the help, as their was not competition. Now we are paying the price. 60 million functional illiterates' in this country. How are we going to compete? With a dumb, lazy workforce and old factories, and a huge bloated Federal and state government, with the inefficiencies of large bureaucracies. We are screwed in this country. As we have an electorate who is voting for whomever promises the most gimmies. As to cash. There is a finite amount, and the richest probably do not have that much. They have assets. Gold, land, factories, banks. Really? At the end of WWII, what was the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans? Or, better yet, what was the approximate tax rate from 1936 until 1964? Hint: it was more than twice what it is claimed to be, now, but Romney (as a typical example) paid one third of that amount! Nice FAUX news position, unfortunately, it ignores the facts. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=213 ----------------------------------------- That 70% tax rate was a fallacy really. I do not know how old you are, but in those days there was lots more deductions. LOTS! For the middle class and lower, you got a deduction for Sales Tax. Plus if you made a major purchase, that was added to the tax table interest deduction. You got Credit Card interest, and any consumer loan interest. You got a standard deduction that adjusted for inflation was probably higher than now. Medical was a better deduction then. How many actually paid anything at 70%? And even if you did not deduct anything now, you will never pay 35% on your income. That is the top tier. Any money you made less than the top tier is taxed at a lower amount. 14% is actually pretty high percentage these days. Most of us in the middle class are probably in the less than 10% range. And lots of Romney's money was at the qualified dividend rate of 15% which means the money was already taxed at a high rate before it was distributed. |
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says... wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:48:39 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 ---------------------------- I said the credit money. Want to start a business. Yup? Well see if you can get a loan. Those trillion dollar deficits are financed with the available credit money. Very little to go to the lower echelon. History is sort of repeating in this country. 1912, 15% had 65% of the money. 65% of the people lived in poverty. The Great Depression was caused by big government and lack of controls. WW2 was both caused a lot by the depression, but it was what got the USA out of the depression. WW2 also made us the economic powerhouse for a lot of years, as most of the rest of the industrial world was in devastation. But with the elites in power, helping themselves to stay in power, and controlling government, just like now, the allowed companies to merge and build use powerful conglomerates, instead of spending their money on modernizing factories, they spent it buying competitors. Steel left the US as we both ran lower on iron ore, and had old inefficient Bessemer Process foundries. While those devastated countries rebuilt with US help with modern, more efficient factories. And while we controlled 85% of the manufacturing, the management kept overpaying the help, as their was not competition. Now we are paying the price. 60 million functional illiterates' in this country. How are we going to compete? With a dumb, lazy workforce and old factories, and a huge bloated Federal and state government, with the inefficiencies of large bureaucracies. We are screwed in this country. As we have an electorate who is voting for whomever promises the most gimmies. As to cash. There is a finite amount, and the richest probably do not have that much. They have assets. Gold, land, factories, banks. Really? At the end of WWII, what was the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans? Or, better yet, what was the approximate tax rate from 1936 until 1964? Hint: it was more than twice what it is claimed to be, now, but Romney (as a typical example) paid one third of that amount! Nice FAUX news position, unfortunately, it ignores the facts. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=213 ----------------------------------------- That 70% tax rate was a fallacy really. I do not know how old you are, but in those days there was lots more deductions. LOTS! For the middle class and lower, you got a deduction for Sales Tax. Plus if you made a major purchase, that was added to the tax table interest deduction. You got Credit Card interest, and any consumer loan interest. You got a standard deduction that adjusted for inflation was probably higher than now. Medical was a better deduction then. How many actually paid anything at 70%? And even if you did not deduct anything now, you will never pay 35% on your income. That is the top tier. Any money you made less than the top tier is taxed at a lower amount. 14% is actually pretty high percentage these days. Most of us in the middle class are probably in the less than 10% range. And lots of Romney's money was at the qualified dividend rate of 15% which means the money was already taxed at a high rate before it was distributed. If it didn't affect anyone or only a few, why did it exist? |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:47:22 -0400, Earl wrote: wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 WTF? Returned to the middle class = what? Monthly checks? Lump sum (re)distribution? It doesn't matter. If you had ever owned a business this would be abundantly clear. You can't borrow money, you can't hire more employees, you can't do ANYTHING unless money is available. With all of the available money hoarded by just a few people, the economy has simply ground to a halt and will stay there until there is money in the hands of the people that actually spend it and keep it circulating. Call it whatever distasteful name you wish. Make it happen however you can image, but the reality is that it MUST happen to fix the economy. Your first paragraph is loaded with errors in basic economics. At lease we agree that the redistribution of wealth is distasteful. It is also wrong in a democracy. |
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@hotmail.com says... wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:47:22 -0400, Earl wrote: wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 WTF? Returned to the middle class = what? Monthly checks? Lump sum (re)distribution? It doesn't matter. If you had ever owned a business this would be abundantly clear. You can't borrow money, you can't hire more employees, you can't do ANYTHING unless money is available. With all of the available money hoarded by just a few people, the economy has simply ground to a halt and will stay there until there is money in the hands of the people that actually spend it and keep it circulating. Call it whatever distasteful name you wish. Make it happen however you can image, but the reality is that it MUST happen to fix the economy. Your first paragraph is loaded with errors in basic economics. At lease we agree that the redistribution of wealth is distasteful. It is also wrong in a democracy. Forced redistribution of wealth is immoral. |
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In article , earl82985 @hotmail.com says... wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:47:22 -0400, Earl wrote: wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 WTF? Returned to the middle class = what? Monthly checks? Lump sum (re)distribution? It doesn't matter. If you had ever owned a business this would be abundantly clear. You can't borrow money, you can't hire more employees, you can't do ANYTHING unless money is available. With all of the available money hoarded by just a few people, the economy has simply ground to a halt and will stay there until there is money in the hands of the people that actually spend it and keep it circulating. Call it whatever distasteful name you wish. Make it happen however you can image, but the reality is that it MUST happen to fix the economy. Your first paragraph is loaded with errors in basic economics. At lease we agree that the redistribution of wealth is distasteful. It is also wrong in a democracy. Forced redistribution of wealth is immoral. That, too. |
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On 10/11/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
I didn't say the cash buyer wasn't paying those fees, on the contrary, I said the fees were built into the buyer's cost of the product. That right there is the crux of all the bull**** argument you have perpetrated. You knew from the beginning when we said using our credit card didn't cost us, we were saying it was the same as paying cash. You have been playing a game of semantics for a week when you knew what our side was saying. Troll! Mikek |
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On 10/14/2012 8:51 AM, amdx wrote:
On 10/11/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote: I didn't say the cash buyer wasn't paying those fees, on the contrary, I said the fees were built into the buyer's cost of the product. That right there is the crux of all the bull**** argument you have perpetrated. You knew from the beginning when we said using our credit card didn't cost us, we were saying it was the same as paying cash. You have been playing a game of semantics for a week when you knew what our side was saying. Troll! Mikek A WEEK?? Try a month, gotta' say you guys have been fools for this guy... |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/10/2012 8:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. Really, he knows you know that. He knows we all know that... We said "we don't pay credit card fees" obviously referring to the monthly fees and credit charges.... He changed the bar and has been getting you to play for the last few weeks... geeze guys, really???? OH, no, John said his credit was free. Period. It's not. I changed NOTHING about my original statement, you moron. Go shovel enough **** to get your family a meal. My credit is not only free, but I get paid to use it!! |
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On 10/14/2012 1:30 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:44:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 10/10/2012 8:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 10/5/2012 6:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:58:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: http://christianpf.com/0-credit-cards-are-not-free/ The use of the credit card is not free. The credit extended to me for almost two months from a 19July purchase to a 19 September payment is free. You need to get your head out of your ass. That sphincter muscle is squeezing your brain down to nothing. It's gotta hurt really bad. I'm sorry for you. Well, then you finally admitted it's not free, so why did you fight it for so long? Yep, not free. Mine pays me and no fees. But then I pay in full every month. Be damned if I will spend money for the privilege of spending money, that is for debtors. What you and the other fools don't understand is the fact that the fees payed by the merchant are handed down to you, the consumer, so no, it's not free. ----------------------------- The cash buyer is paying for those fees also. Both Credit and cash buyers are paying for the governments overspending and printing inflationary money. Both are paying for the fact that the merchant can not get a loan, as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy. We are paying for lots of stuff. Those who put the Starbucks on the CC and run a monthly balance are paying those fees, plus 24% interest on that Starbucks. Since I am paying all those same fees and payoff my cards fully each month, my credit cards send me money. My Costco Amex last rebate sent me over a $1000. That is more than the fees for credit I had to pay a merchant in the same period. As to those other fees, we are all going to pay them as well as my great Grandkids will be paying for the overspending this country is doing now, to prevent any pain to the populace. Really, he knows you know that. He knows we all know that... We said "we don't pay credit card fees" obviously referring to the monthly fees and credit charges.... He changed the bar and has been getting you to play for the last few weeks... geeze guys, really???? OH, no, John said his credit was free. Period. It's not. I changed NOTHING about my original statement, you moron. Go shovel enough **** to get your family a meal. My credit is not only free, but I get paid to use it!! Loogie is about the only one on rec.boats who isn't aware of the free credit deal. So sad. |
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On 10/11/2012 7:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 If the money were redistributed, it would not take long for the money to return to the wealth accumulators, the poor don't save money. If they did they wouldn't be poor. I feel for the rich when someone says they don't pay their fair share. It's just wrong. the top 10% of wage earners pay over 2/3 of all taxes. In 2009 Top 1% of income earners pay 36.73% of taxes Top 5% income earners pay 58.66% of taxes Top 10% income earners pay 70.47% of taxes Top 25% income earners pay 87.30% of taxes Top 50% income earners pay 97.75% of taxes Bottom 50% income earners pay 2.25% of taxes From, http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pa...ome-taxes.html Mikek |
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On 10/17/2012 11:14 AM, amdx wrote:
On 10/11/2012 7:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:44:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: as the government has taken all available credit money from the economy Right idea, wrong bad guy. Facts say that the money is held by the richest people, who are sitting on the money and keeping it out of circulation. The government has foolishly printed more money in an attempt to put more money in the hands of those that will allow it to trickle up. That won't work. Until a sizable portion of that 85% of cash held by the richest is returned to the middle class, the economy CAN NOT get any better. It is just a mathematical fact. http://wealthfacts.org/?page_id=44 If the money were redistributed, it would not take long for the money to return to the wealth accumulators, the poor don't save money. If they did they wouldn't be poor. I feel for the rich when someone says they don't pay their fair share. It's just wrong. the top 10% of wage earners pay over 2/3 of all taxes. In 2009 Top 1% of income earners pay 36.73% of taxes Top 5% income earners pay 58.66% of taxes Top 10% income earners pay 70.47% of taxes Top 25% income earners pay 87.30% of taxes Top 50% income earners pay 97.75% of taxes Bottom 50% income earners pay 2.25% of taxes From, http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pa...ome-taxes.html Mikek Some of you may find this interesting, I did. http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s...llionaire.html Mikek |
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