Who won the debate?
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

snerk

Who won the debate? Now wiring on boats
 

On Oct 6, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri....

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

Used to see a lot of odd code-color wiring variations with automotive
manufacturers., then it got to be reasonable standard thanks to SAE.
But the Europeans and the Orientals still thought differently.

The biggest discrepancy on a boat will be the black wire.

On the DC side of the inverter it will be ground. If you use the NEC
convention, on the AC side it will be a hot conductor.

In NEC wiring the difference between here and Europe is the use of
blue. Europe (most of it) uses blue is the neutral in a cord. You may
see this if you cut the plug off a PC power cord that was made for the
export market. It will be green/tellow (ground), blue (neutral) and
brown(hot). That will even be true if it has a US 5-15 plug on it.

UK uses black for neutral too.

Yep! seen it before. Baldor made a bunch of 10 hp. three phase
motors for the European market. 10 hp. 50 cycle. Wiring color code
inside was different than std. SAE

Who won the debate? Now wiring on boats
 

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:15*am, wrote:









On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri....

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

Used to see a lot of odd code-color wiring variations with automotive
manufacturers., then it got to be reasonable standard thanks to SAE.
But the Europeans and the Orientals still thought differently.

The biggest discrepancy on a boat will be the black wire.

On the DC side of the inverter it will be ground. If you use the NEC
convention, on the AC side it will be a hot conductor.

In NEC wiring the difference between here and Europe is the use of
blue. Europe (most of it) uses blue is the neutral in a cord. You may
see this if you cut the plug off a PC power cord that was made for the
export market. It will be green/tellow (ground), blue (neutral) and
brown(hot). That will even be true if it has a US 5-15 plug on it.

UK uses black for neutral too.

Yep! *seen it before. *Baldor made a bunch of 10 hp. three phase
motors for the European market. *10 hp. 50 cycle. *Wiring color code
inside was different than std. SAE

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

Who won the debate? Now wiring on boats
 

On Oct 6, 1:27*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

NEMA or NFPA maybe? *;-)

NEMA

Who won the debate? Now wiring on boats
 

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Oct 6, 1:27*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

NEMA or NFPA maybe? *;-)

NEMA

I always liked NUMA better.

Of course, if you're not a Clive Cussler fan, that's meaningless.