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[email protected] September 22nd 12 06:28 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:


On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait


wrote:






It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow


minded and


thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.




===




Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a


graduate EE.




If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a


lot.


We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of


2011.


4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was


very


spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been


getting


pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably


still a few problems.






I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any


service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for


racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just


because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our


thing


without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,


from


what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I


know use.


I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and


we have


the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was


addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...




It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!




cite




Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?


Really??? If


so you are dumber than Scotty!!




Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It


comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.


Show some proof, idiot.




The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as


to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!




The proof might be simple but you can't show it.




Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have


different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers


don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and


too much of an asshole to admit if he could...




Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....


If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 06:48 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article ,
says...

On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:


On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait


wrote:






It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow


minded and


thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.




===




Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a


graduate EE.




If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a


lot.


We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of


2011.


4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was


very


spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been


getting


pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably


still a few problems.






I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any


service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for


racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just


because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our


thing


without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,


from


what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I


know use.


I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and


we have


the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was


addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...




It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!




cite




Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?


Really??? If


so you are dumber than Scotty!!




Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It


comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.


Show some proof, idiot.




The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as


to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!




The proof might be simple but you can't show it.




Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have


different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers


don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and


too much of an asshole to admit if he could...




Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....


If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.


Cite?

JustWait[_2_] September 22nd 12 11:18 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:


On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article m,


says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait


wrote:






It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow


minded and


thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.




===




Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a


graduate EE.




If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a


lot.


We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of


2011.


4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was


very


spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been


getting


pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably


still a few problems.






I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any


service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for


racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just


because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our


thing


without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,


from


what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I


know use.


I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and


we have


the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was


addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...




It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!




cite




Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?


Really??? If


so you are dumber than Scotty!!




Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It


comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.


Show some proof, idiot.




The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as


to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!




The proof might be simple but you can't show it.




Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have


different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers


don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and


too much of an asshole to admit if he could...




Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....


If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.


I don't think he understands why antennae are different sizes... Or why
there are so many on a tower if they only need one:) LOL! Maybe he
thinks the tower is the Antenna???

iBoaterer[_2_] September 23rd 12 12:51 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article , says...

On 9/22/2012 1:28 PM,
wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:

On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:





It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow

minded and

thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.



===



Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a

graduate EE.



If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a

lot.

We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of

2011.

4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was

very

spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been

getting

pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably

still a few problems.





I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any

service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for

racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just

because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our

thing

without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,

from

what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I

know use.

I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and

we have

the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was

addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...



It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!



cite



Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?

Really??? If

so you are dumber than Scotty!!



Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It

comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.

Show some proof, idiot.



The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as

to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!



The proof might be simple but you can't show it.



Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have

different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers

don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and

too much of an asshole to admit if he could...



Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....


If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.


I don't think he understands why antennae are different sizes... Or why
there are so many on a tower if they only need one:) LOL! Maybe he
thinks the tower is the Antenna???


SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G
uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of
the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.

Meyer[_2_] September 23rd 12 02:31 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/23/2012 7:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 9/22/2012 1:28 PM,
wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:

On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:





It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow

minded and

thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.



===



Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a

graduate EE.



If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a

lot.

We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of

2011.

4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was

very

spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been

getting

pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably

still a few problems.





I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any

service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for

racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just

because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our

thing

without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,

from

what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I

know use.

I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and

we have

the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was

addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...



It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!



cite



Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?

Really??? If

so you are dumber than Scotty!!



Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It

comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.

Show some proof, idiot.



The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as

to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!



The proof might be simple but you can't show it.



Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have

different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers

don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and

too much of an asshole to admit if he could...



Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....

If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.


I don't think he understands why antennae are different sizes... Or why
there are so many on a tower if they only need one:) LOL! Maybe he
thinks the tower is the Antenna???


SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G
uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of
the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.

What technical discipline are you schooled in?

[email protected] September 23rd 12 03:01 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:51:44 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G

uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of

the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.



In this case, that means everything, idiot.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies

Look halfway down the page at the tacle titled :Carrier Frequency Use" and you'll see the data below.


USA Carrier 3G 4G


AT&T 850 / 1,900 Band 17 (700MHz)/AWS (1,700/2,100 MHz)

Verizon 850 / 1,900 700 / AWS(Planned)

3G and 4G do indeed use different frequencies. And that, as you stated, requires different antennas.

JustWait[_2_] September 23rd 12 03:08 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/23/2012 10:01 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:51:44 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G

uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of

the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.



In this case, that means everything, idiot.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies

Look halfway down the page at the tacle titled :Carrier Frequency Use" and you'll see the data below.


USA Carrier 3G 4G


AT&T 850 / 1,900 Band 17 (700MHz)/AWS (1,700/2,100 MHz)

Verizon 850 / 1,900 700 / AWS(Planned)

3G and 4G do indeed use different frequencies. And that, as you stated, requires different antennas.


.... and he wonders why I don't bother answering his insane questions:)
Each and every time he gets slapped, he just moves on to the next
question. It's a progressive thing, like the issue over Romney's taxes:)

iBoaterer[_2_] September 23rd 12 03:35 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article ,
says...

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:51:44 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G

uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of

the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.



In this case, that means everything, idiot.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies

Look halfway down the page at the tacle titled :Carrier Frequency Use" and you'll see the data below.


USA Carrier 3G 4G


AT&T 850 / 1,900 Band 17 (700MHz)/AWS (1,700/2,100 MHz)

Verizon 850 / 1,900 700 / AWS(Planned)

3G and 4G do indeed use different frequencies. And that, as you stated, requires different antennas.


Nope. Same antenna. Prove me wrong.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 23rd 12 03:36 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article m,
says...

On 9/23/2012 7:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/22/2012 1:28 PM,
wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:

On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,

says...



On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:





It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow

minded and

thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.



===



Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a

graduate EE.



If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a

lot.

We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of

2011.

4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was

very

spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been

getting

pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably

still a few problems.





I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any

service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for

racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just

because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our

thing

without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,

from

what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I

know use.

I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and

we have

the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was

addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...



It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!



cite



Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?

Really??? If

so you are dumber than Scotty!!



Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It

comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.

Show some proof, idiot.



The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as

to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!



The proof might be simple but you can't show it.



Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have

different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers

don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and

too much of an asshole to admit if he could...



Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than

they do for 3G....

If you had even an ounce of technical ability and understanding, you'd realize that 4G *requires* a different antenna array.

When it comes to understanding technical stuff, you're like a dog watching TV.


I don't think he understands why antennae are different sizes... Or why
there are so many on a tower if they only need one:) LOL! Maybe he
thinks the tower is the Antenna???


SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G
uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of
the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.

What technical discipline are you schooled in?


SHOW ME, period. You can't.

[email protected] September 23rd 12 04:05 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:51:44 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


SHOW ME then asshat. SHOW ME a technical article that states that 4G




uses different antenna than 3G. Antenna are different lengths because of




the wave length of radio signals. In this case, that means nothing.






In this case, that means everything, idiot.




From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies




Look halfway down the page at the tacle titled :Carrier Frequency Use" and you'll see the data below.






USA Carrier 3G 4G






AT&T 850 / 1,900 Band 17 (700MHz)/AWS (1,700/2,100 MHz)




Verizon 850 / 1,900 700 / AWS(Planned)




3G and 4G do indeed use different frequencies. And that, as you stated, requires different antennas.




Nope. Same antenna. Prove me wrong.


From your own link:

"Advanced antenna systems

Main articles: MIMO and MU-MIMO

The performance of radio communications depends on an antenna system, termed smart or intelligent antenna. Recently, multiple antenna technologies are emerging to achieve the goal of 4G systems such as high rate, high reliability, and long range communications. In the early 1990s, to cater for the growing data rate needs of data communication, many transmission schemes were proposed. One technology, spatial multiplexing, gained importance for its bandwidth conservation and power efficiency. Spatial multiplexing involves deploying multiple antennas at the transmitter and at the receiver. Independent streams can then be transmitted simultaneously from all the antennas. This technology, called MIMO (as a branch of intelligent antenna), multiplies the base data rate by (the smaller of) the number of transmit antennas or the number of receive antennas. Apart from this, the reliability in transmitting high speed data in the fading channel can be improved by using more antennas at the transmitter or at the receiver. This is called transmit or receive diversity. Both transmit/receive diversity and transmit spatial multiplexing are categorized into the space-time coding techniques, which does not necessarily require the channel knowledge at the transmitter. The other category is closed-loop multiple antenna technologies, which require channel knowledge at the transmitter."

I know this stuff is over your head, but they basically designed new, advanced antenna technology to enable the transmission of 4G signals.

"Recently, multiple antenna technologies are emerging to achieve the goal of 4G systems such as high rate, high reliability, and long range communications."

Yeah, they use the same antennas that have been in place for years. ~snerk~


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