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JustWait[_2_] September 22nd 12 02:49 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 9:37 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Friday, September 21, 2012 4:21:37 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM,
wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,



says...



It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on
the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with
3G.



I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter
what the results?







Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at
4g and

get back to me.



3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)



All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to
be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you
should realize it's not.



Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or
"QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell
call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call?
Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the
floor?



Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as
they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed
results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to
cell.



I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.





Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more

stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone,
not

fancy but a workhorse by LG.



And your results were? Do you realize that the signal, whether 4 or 3g

comes from the same exact place?

You do realize that not every 3G tower has, or will get, a 4G install?

His nearby 3G tower may not hace a 4G package and array. It uses
different antennas and RF equipment. Different frequency band.
Larger range.


That's COVERAGE NOT SPEED.

You don't have a clue as to what 3 pontoon just said, do you?



Yeah, my 3G is so so.... My 4G is slooooooooow... if you consider
non-existent slow. I will say this on more time. Around here, and in the
boondocks, 4G is so spotty and ****ty, when we get a 4G connect, we
reboot the bug to get another signal. I don't really care if Kevin
believes me or not, he has the same elitist "city dweller" attitude that
everybody gets exactly the same services available as us out here in the
suburban areas and that we should base our needs on what they have
available... These are the same folks who would try to get me to live my
life in a Chevy Volt or on Public Transportation...

JustWait[_2_] September 22nd 12 02:59 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 9:49 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 11:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:58 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days,
hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been
for two
years!


Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

Everybody, AT&T, Verizon, TMobile, Sprint all have 4G coverage. Apple
didn't until now have a phone capable of 4G.

I was talking about people. I thought you were too. Choose your words
more carefully.

Learn to comprehend. The subject in the original post was about
APPLE....

You are uncomprehensable.


To you.

OK lets do a poll.
How many of you think ILoogie makes any sense at all?


Nope.

JustWait[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:01 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow
minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a
lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of
2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was
very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been
getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our
thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,
from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I
know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and
we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

cite

Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?
Really??? If
so you are dumber than Scotty!!

Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It
comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.
Show some proof, idiot.


The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as
to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!

The proof might be simple but you can't show it.


Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have
different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers
don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and
too much of an asshole to admit if he could...

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:07 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Friday, September 21, 2012 4:21:37 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM,
wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,



says...



It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.



I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?







Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and

get back to me.



3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)



All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.



Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?



Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.



I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.





Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more

stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone, not

fancy but a workhorse by LG.



And your results were? Do you realize that the signal, whether 4 or 3g

comes from the same exact place?

You do realize that not every 3G tower has, or will get, a 4G install?

His nearby 3G tower may not hace a 4G package and array. It uses different antennas and RF equipment. Different frequency band. Larger range.


That's COVERAGE NOT SPEED.

You don't have a clue as to what 3 pontoon just said, do you?


I sure do! Now post those speedtest results for both 4G and 3G and we'll
talk.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:09 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article , says...

On 9/22/2012 9:37 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Friday, September 21, 2012 4:21:37 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM,
wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,



says...



It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on
the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with
3G.



I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter
what the results?







Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at
4g and

get back to me.



3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)



All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to
be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you
should realize it's not.



Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or
"QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell
call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call?
Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the
floor?



Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as
they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed
results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to
cell.



I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.





Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more

stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone,
not

fancy but a workhorse by LG.



And your results were? Do you realize that the signal, whether 4 or 3g

comes from the same exact place?

You do realize that not every 3G tower has, or will get, a 4G install?

His nearby 3G tower may not hace a 4G package and array. It uses
different antennas and RF equipment. Different frequency band.
Larger range.

That's COVERAGE NOT SPEED.

You don't have a clue as to what 3 pontoon just said, do you?



Yeah, my 3G is so so.... My 4G is slooooooooow... if you consider
non-existent slow. I will say this on more time. Around here, and in the
boondocks, 4G is so spotty and ****ty, when we get a 4G connect, we
reboot the bug to get another signal. I don't really care if Kevin
believes me or not, he has the same elitist "city dweller" attitude that
everybody gets exactly the same services available as us out here in the
suburban areas and that we should base our needs on what they have
available... These are the same folks who would try to get me to live my
life in a Chevy Volt or on Public Transportation...


Post your Speedtest results then. As for the way you live your life, I
could care less. Spend your days cleaning horse ****.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:10 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

cite

Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G? Really??? If
so you are dumber than Scotty!!

Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It
comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.
Show some proof, idiot.


The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as
to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!

The proof might be simple but you can't show it.


Because it's such a non-issue, because everybody that knows anything
wouldn't even question it.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:11 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article , says...

On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow
minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a
lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of
2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was
very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been
getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our
thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,
from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I
know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and
we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

cite

Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?
Really??? If
so you are dumber than Scotty!!

Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It
comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.
Show some proof, idiot.

The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as
to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!

The proof might be simple but you can't show it.


Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have
different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers
don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and
too much of an asshole to admit if he could...


Please show where they have "different antenna or array" for 4G than
they do for 3G....

iBoaterer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:12 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
In article , says...

On 9/22/2012 9:49 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 7:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 11:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:58 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days,
hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been
for two
years!


Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

Everybody, AT&T, Verizon, TMobile, Sprint all have 4G coverage. Apple
didn't until now have a phone capable of 4G.

I was talking about people. I thought you were too. Choose your words
more carefully.

Learn to comprehend. The subject in the original post was about
APPLE....

You are uncomprehensable.

To you.

OK lets do a poll.
How many of you think ILoogie makes any sense at all?


Nope.


Well, we all know you are too stupid to follow a thread, but thanks for
clarifying.

Meyer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:37 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/22/2012 9:45 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow
minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a
lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of
2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was
very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been
getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are
probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board
just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our
thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case,
from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I
know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and
we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

cite

Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G?
Really??? If
so you are dumber than Scotty!!

Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true.
"It
comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe
not.
Show some proof, idiot.

The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as
to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!

The proof might be simple but you can't show it.


Nobody said they don't come from the same tower. We said they have
different antenna or array, or whatever you call it and that some towers
don't have the 4G gear yet. He is too stupid to parse the difference and
too much of an asshole to admit if he could...


YES

Meyer[_2_] September 22nd 12 03:58 PM

figgered out where harry is
 
On 9/22/2012 10:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 9:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/22/2012 7:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is:) Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

cite

Do you REALLY think that they build seperate towers for 4G? Really??? If
so you are dumber than Scotty!!

Doesn't matter what I think. You can't prove your statement is true. "It
comes from the same damned place! Same tower!" Maybe bull**** maybe not.
Show some proof, idiot.

The proof is simple, idiot. I really didn't think you were so stupid as
to think that 4G comes from different cell towers than 3G!!!

The proof might be simple but you can't show it.


Because it's such a non-issue, because everybody that knows anything
wouldn't even question it.

Humor us with your interpretation of the simple proof.


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