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iBoaterer[_2_] September 16th 12 04:36 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf

Some highlights of what the smart grid will offer:

Self healing in that it will detect issues and take corrective action
instead of waiting until part of the grid fails, then needing human
interaction to fix it.

Utilize many energy resources using plug and play technology and (GASP!)
focus on using renewable sources efficiently and seamlessly.

Easily integrate wholesale markets which will then lead to the growth of
new electricity wholesale markets.

Resilient to attack and natural disasters with rapid restoration
capabilities.



[email protected] September 16th 12 05:09 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.

Meyer[_2_] September 16th 12 06:03 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/16/2012 11:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf

Some highlights of what the smart grid will offer:

Self healing in that it will detect issues and take corrective action
instead of waiting until part of the grid fails, then needing human
interaction to fix it.

Utilize many energy resources using plug and play technology and (GASP!)
focus on using renewable sources efficiently and seamlessly.

Easily integrate wholesale markets which will then lead to the growth of
new electricity wholesale markets.

Resilient to attack and natural disasters with rapid restoration
capabilities.


When you get your smart grid on line, we'll talk.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 16th 12 08:20 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.


What a moron.

BAR[_2_] September 16th 12 08:37 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.


What a moron.


You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



iBoaterer[_2_] September 16th 12 09:01 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.


What a moron.


You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?


"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?

Meyer[_2_] September 16th 12 09:43 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/16/2012 3:37 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.


What a moron.


You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?


Maybe he is a fluffer.

BAR[_2_] September 16th 12 10:57 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.

What a moron.


You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?


"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?


The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision
statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.

It is a document to encourage early investment.

[email protected] September 17th 12 02:36 AM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.




Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.




What a moron.




You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?




"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?




The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly. It has *zero* data.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 17th 12 01:38 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.

What a moron.


You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?


Maybe he is a fluffer.


Good job Harry.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 17th 12 01:39 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.

What a moron.

You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?


"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?


The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision
statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.

It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly what in the document do you refute and why? Be specific.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 17th 12 01:39 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


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Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.




Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.




What a moron.




You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?




"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?




The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly. It has *zero* data.


Really? Are you that stupid?

T. Keating September 17th 12 04:37 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:36:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf

Some highlights of what the smart grid will offer:

Self healing in that it will detect issues and take corrective action
instead of waiting until part of the grid fails, then needing human
interaction to fix it.

Utilize many energy resources using plug and play technology and (GASP!)
focus on using renewable sources efficiently and seamlessly.

Easily integrate wholesale markets which will then lead to the growth of
new electricity wholesale markets.

Resilient to attack and natural disasters with rapid restoration
capabilities.


Smart grid is a new avenue to attack the power co/citizens and enables them to commit
fraud upon their customers. Expect a major lawsuit in the near future, when the $$
maximize ROI for such an action.

As an engineer, I know where the skeletons are hidden. These meters may be calibrated,
but only accurately measure power consumed or returned, if programmed to do so.

P.S. I refused the installation of a so-called smart meter and smartly kept my old analog
meter.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 17th 12 04:45 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:36:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf

Some highlights of what the smart grid will offer:

Self healing in that it will detect issues and take corrective action
instead of waiting until part of the grid fails, then needing human
interaction to fix it.

Utilize many energy resources using plug and play technology and (GASP!)
focus on using renewable sources efficiently and seamlessly.

Easily integrate wholesale markets which will then lead to the growth of
new electricity wholesale markets.

Resilient to attack and natural disasters with rapid restoration
capabilities.


Smart grid is a new avenue to attack the power co/citizens and enables them to commit
fraud upon their customers. Expect a major lawsuit in the near future, when the $$
maximize ROI for such an action.

As an engineer, I know where the skeletons are hidden. These meters may be calibrated,
but only accurately measure power consumed or returned, if programmed to do so.

P.S. I refused the installation of a so-called smart meter and smartly kept my old analog
meter.


Smart meters isn't a smart grid system.

[email protected] September 17th 12 06:33 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Monday, September 17, 2012 8:39:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision
statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.


It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly. It has *zero* data.


Really? Are you that stupid?


Quote one verifiable data point in the article. Hell man, the freakin' title of the document is "A Vision for the Smart Grid". Vision. Fluff.

Here's an example:
"And finally, the Smart Grid will operate resiliently against attack and natural disaster. It will incorporate a system-wide solution that reduces physical and cyber vulnerabilities and enables a rapid recovery from disruptions. Its resilience will create an image that intimidates would-be attackers.. It will also be less vulnerable to natural disasters."

Precisely how will it be resilient, enable rapid recovery, and be intimidating to would-be attackers? With "a system-wide solution". snerk It is full of that type of pie-in-the-sky fluff meant to sell the idea to non-technical people. Completely non-technical, non-specific, marketing fluff. Nothing in there can be verified because there are no specifics, and that's on purpose.

Tell me you aren't that gullible.

Oh, never mind.

[email protected] September 17th 12 06:42 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Monday, September 17, 2012 11:45:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

Smart meters isn't a smart grid system.


It is a key element of the smart grid vision.

http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/Technologies_Metering/

"Smart meter initiatives around the country in recent years have proven the concept. They are cost-effective and maximize energy efficiency, leading many governments to mandate advanced metering. Today a small fraction of U.S.. meters are smart, but the segment is expected to grow between 15 percent and 20 percent annually."

Meyer[_2_] September 17th 12 07:28 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/17/2012 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 8:39:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision
statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.


It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly. It has *zero* data.


Really? Are you that stupid?


Quote one verifiable data point in the article. Hell man, the freakin' title of the document is "A Vision for the Smart Grid". Vision. Fluff.

Here's an example:
"And finally, the Smart Grid will operate resiliently against attack and natural disaster. It will incorporate a system-wide solution that reduces physical and cyber vulnerabilities and enables a rapid recovery from disruptions. Its resilience will create an image that intimidates would-be attackers.. It will also be less vulnerable to natural disasters."

Precisely how will it be resilient, enable rapid recovery, and be intimidating to would-be attackers? With "a system-wide solution". snerk It is full of that type of pie-in-the-sky fluff meant to sell the idea to non-technical people. Completely non-technical, non-specific, marketing fluff. Nothing in there can be verified because there are no specifics, and that's on purpose.

Tell me you aren't that gullible.

Oh, never mind.

What we need is a good solid definition of "it will"

Meyer[_2_] September 17th 12 07:33 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/17/2012 1:42 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 11:45:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

Smart meters isn't a smart grid system.


It is a key element of the smart grid vision.

http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/Technologies_Metering/

"Smart meter initiatives around the country in recent years have proven the concept. They are cost-effective and maximize energy efficiency, leading many governments to mandate advanced metering. Today a small fraction of U.S.. meters are smart, but the segment is expected to grow between 15 percent and 20 percent annually."


Ahhh "vision". Much better than "it will"

Califbill September 18th 12 05:10 AM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 11:45:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

Smart meters isn't a smart grid system.


It is a key element of the smart grid vision.

http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/Technologies_Metering/

"Smart meter initiatives around the country in recent years have proven the
concept. They are cost-effective and maximize energy efficiency, leading
many governments to mandate advanced metering. Today a small fraction of
U.S. meters are smart, but the segment is expected to grow between 15
percent and 20 percent annually."


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We have smart meters here. Most people do not like them as their power
bills went up 20-30%. I think the reason the utilities love them is it
calculates power usage better. With all the cell phone and computer low
voltage transformers in a house the power factor is wrong for great billing.
The power passes without being registered as a big percentage is mostly
inductive and the power factor designed in to a standard meter will not
record a lot of the energy used.



BAR[_2_] September 18th 12 01:12 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf


Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.

Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.

What a moron.

You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?

"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?


The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision
statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.

It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly what in the document do you refute and why? Be specific.


You can't refute opinion and marketing fluff until there is a real
product.

The SMART Grid is a vision and as of now it is an undefined and
unobtainable vision.



BAR[_2_] September 18th 12 01:13 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.



Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.



What a moron.



You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?



The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.


Exactly. It has *zero* data.


Really? Are you that stupid?


Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.


iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 01:54 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.



Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.



What a moron.



You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?



The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.

Exactly. It has *zero* data.


Really? Are you that stupid?


Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.


"Automatically detects and responds to problems"


[email protected] September 18th 12 01:58 PM

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Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.








Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.








What a moron.








You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?








"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?








The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision




statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.








It is a document to encourage early investment.




Exactly. It has *zero* data.




Really? Are you that stupid?




Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.




"Automatically detects and responds to problems"


That's not data. That's a vision of what it *might* do if implemented.

I though you were some type of engineer?

BAR[_2_] September 18th 12 02:10 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.



Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.



What a moron.



You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?



The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.

Exactly. It has *zero* data.

Really? Are you that stupid?


Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.


"Automatically detects and responds to problems"


That is not data, that is not a requirement, that is a vision.



[email protected] September 18th 12 02:16 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.




Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.




What a moron.




You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?




"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?




The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision


statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.




It is a document to encourage early investment.




Exactly what in the document do you refute and why? Be specific.




You can't refute opinion and marketing fluff until there is a real
product.


The SMART Grid is a vision and as of now it is an undefined and
unobtainable vision.


Completely correct.

Here, let's play a game!

"A Vision for Abatement of Foul-Smelling Flatulence"
- The product will solve the problem of foul smells from flatulence.
- The general public will no longer be afraid to let one go in the presence of others.
- In the future all flatulence will have a smell similar to butterflies and flowers on a mild, spring day.
- The product will be virtually tasteless and odorless, and will be low-cost.
- The product will have the additional affect of helping to induce World Peace.

Now what in this vision statement can be refuted? Answer: Nothing.
Since the product doesn't exist yet, none of the claims about it can be refuted. It is nothing more than a vison statement of what the "product" may accomplish. No data on how it will do so, just what it is hoped (hyped?) to do.

Any competent technical person understands the difference between a vision statement and a technical report with actual data. Or one would hope so.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 02:41 PM

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Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.








Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.








What a moron.








You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?








"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?








The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision




statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.








It is a document to encourage early investment.




Exactly. It has *zero* data.




Really? Are you that stupid?




Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.




"Automatically detects and responds to problems"


That's not data. That's a vision of what it *might* do if implemented.

I though you were some type of engineer?


You thought wrong, as usual.

Meyer[_2_] September 18th 12 02:59 PM

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On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.



Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.



What a moron.



You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?



The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.

Exactly. It has *zero* data.

Really? Are you that stupid?


Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.


"Automatically detects and responds to problems"

I don't know if I would trust artificial intelligence to fix grid
problems without human intervention. But, hey, we're talking visions
here. Visions have a tendency to be fluid and change shape.

[email protected] September 18th 12 03:08 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

I though you were some type of engineer?


You thought wrong, as usual.


Then that explains a lot. Thanks!

Meyer[_2_] September 18th 12 03:14 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/18/2012 10:08 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

I though you were some type of engineer?


You thought wrong, as usual.


Then that explains a lot. Thanks!


He's just a common ordinary user of the technology that inventors,
designers, and engineers develop. A knob twister and button pusher if
you will.

[email protected] September 18th 12 03:18 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:15:09 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:08 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,




says...



I though you were some type of engineer?




You thought wrong, as usual.



Then that explains a lot. Thanks!



He's just a common ordinary user of the technology that inventors,
designers, and engineers develop. A knob twister and button pusher if
you will.


Problem is, he tries to act like he understands the technology. Now we find out he's not technical, and is just spouting the marketing fluff he's been fed. Another sheep who wouldn't know a technical requirements document if it bit him in the ass. Not a trained critical thinker. I always suspected it.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 03:33 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

I though you were some type of engineer?


You thought wrong, as usual.


Then that explains a lot. Thanks!


Your wrongful thinking sure does explain a lot.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 03:34 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:15:09 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:08 AM,
wrote:

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,




says...



I though you were some type of engineer?




You thought wrong, as usual.



Then that explains a lot. Thanks!



He's just a common ordinary user of the technology that inventors,
designers, and engineers develop. A knob twister and button pusher if
you will.


Problem is, he tries to act like he understands the technology. Now we find out he's not technical, and is just spouting the marketing fluff he's been fed. Another sheep who wouldn't know a technical requirements document if it bit him in the ass. Not a trained critical thinker. I always suspected it.


But you all argued that there is no new technology, remember? You all
claimed that internal combustion engines are the same as the first one,
computers are abacuses, etc.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 03:34 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article om,
says...

On 9/18/2012 8:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:57:51 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...



In article ,


says...



In article ,

says...



In article ,

says...



On Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:36:55 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.cnt.org/news/media/vision-2-pager-final.pdf





Slickly done marketing fluff... with zero technical details and glossing over some MAJOR stuff.



Hope they get the funding they're looking for. Along with ramping up generation, we need to do something. I want to wash my clothes amd take a hot shower... when I want, not when some gov drone lets me.



What a moron.



You are promoting marketing fluff and he is a moron?



"Marketing fluff"? What data in that site do you disagree with and why?



The document you provided a link to is nothing more than a vision

statement. There are no specifics, plans or time-lines.



It is a document to encourage early investment.

Exactly. It has *zero* data.

Really? Are you that stupid?

Point me to some data contained in the pdf you linked to.


"Automatically detects and responds to problems"

I don't know if I would trust artificial intelligence to fix grid
problems without human intervention. But, hey, we're talking visions
here. Visions have a tendency to be fluid and change shape.


Of course you wouldn't.

[email protected] September 18th 12 03:54 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

But you all argued that there is no new technology, remember?


Never happened.

You all
claimed that internal combustion engines are the same as the first one,
computers are abacuses, etc.


Again, never happened. Your lack of engineering training and inability to perform critical thinking leads you to completely misunderstand what you read.

Your admission makes it all clear now. It's pointless to continue. Have a nice day.


JustWait[_2_] September 18th 12 03:56 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/18/2012 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

But you all argued that there is no new technology, remember?


Never happened.

You all
claimed that internal combustion engines are the same as the first one,
computers are abacuses, etc.


Again, never happened. Your lack of engineering training and inability to perform critical thinking leads you to completely misunderstand what you read.

Your admission makes it all clear now. It's pointless to continue. Have a nice day.


Thank God.. Maybe he can go running around the net pleading for a friend
like his buddy from the North.

[email protected] September 18th 12 03:59 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:50 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


I don't know if I would trust artificial intelligence to fix grid


problems without human intervention. But, hey, we're talking visions


here. Visions have a tendency to be fluid and change shape.




Of course you wouldn't.


Your admitted lack of understanding technology is what lead you to blindly trust technology.

Those of us that do understand it know better. We create it, know what is involved in proving it out to be reliable, and know how often it fails. That's something the general public doesn't have an understanding of, and that's why they fall for those fluffy "vision statements".

It's just one of your shortcomings.


iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 04:36 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

But you all argued that there is no new technology, remember?


Never happened.

You all
claimed that internal combustion engines are the same as the first one,
computers are abacuses, etc.


Again, never happened. Your lack of engineering training and inability to perform critical thinking leads you to completely misunderstand what you read.

Your admission makes it all clear now. It's pointless to continue. Have a nice day.


My "admission" to WHAT?

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 04:36 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article , says...

On 9/18/2012 10:54 AM,
wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

But you all argued that there is no new technology, remember?


Never happened.

You all
claimed that internal combustion engines are the same as the first one,
computers are abacuses, etc.


Again, never happened. Your lack of engineering training and inability to perform critical thinking leads you to completely misunderstand what you read.

Your admission makes it all clear now. It's pointless to continue. Have a nice day.


Thank God.. Maybe he can go running around the net pleading for a friend
like his buddy from the North.


Maybe you can go running around the net acting insane... Oh, wait, never
mind.

iBoaterer[_2_] September 18th 12 05:21 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:34:50 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


I don't know if I would trust artificial intelligence to fix grid


problems without human intervention. But, hey, we're talking visions


here. Visions have a tendency to be fluid and change shape.




Of course you wouldn't.


Your admitted lack of understanding technology is what lead you to blindly trust technology.


Just where did I admit that?

Those of us that do understand it know better. We create it, know what is involved in proving it out to be reliable, and know how often it fails. That's something the general public doesn't have an understanding of, and that's why they fall for those fluffy "vision statements".

It's just one of your shortcomings.


No, apparently you don't. In any form of technology, when new it is
barely feasible, costly, and there are failures. To naysayers like you,
you immediately deem a new technology useless because of just those
reasons, and that is blind, head in the sand thinking.



Meyer[_2_] September 18th 12 07:24 PM

For the morons that refuse to understand smart grid technology
 
On 9/18/2012 10:18 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:15:09 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:08 AM,
wrote:

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,




says...



I though you were some type of engineer?




You thought wrong, as usual.



Then that explains a lot. Thanks!



He's just a common ordinary user of the technology that inventors,
designers, and engineers develop. A knob twister and button pusher if
you will.


Problem is, he tries to act like he understands the technology. Now we find out he's not technical, and is just spouting the marketing fluff he's been fed. Another sheep who wouldn't know a technical requirements document if it bit him in the ass. Not a trained critical thinker. I always suspected it.


I gave him credit for being smarter than he actually is. My mistake


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