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On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the offshore wind business. "the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116 What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found, AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we already know doesn't work... WTF does "OFFSHORE" have to do with wind energy in general, dip****? And do tell, moron, just what aspect of wind energy "doesn't work"? NY states? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_York California's? http://www.energy.ca.gov/wind/overview.html Texas? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas In other words, you either let your insanity guide you, or you are really stupid. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the offshore wind business. "the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116 === A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could change things almost over night. Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the "environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within "x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:31:07 -0400, JustWait wrote:
On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the offshore wind business. "the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116 What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found, AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we already know doesn't work... FWIW, Denmark, a great user of windmills, is also scaling back big time. This according to my Dutch friend. |
Windmills A tribute to Ted
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says... On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:03:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the offshore wind business. "the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116 What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found, AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we already know doesn't work... WTF does "OFFSHORE" have to do with wind energy in general, dip****? And do tell, moron, just what aspect of wind energy "doesn't work"? NY states? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_York California's? http://www.energy.ca.gov/wind/overview.html Texas? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas In other words, you either let your insanity guide you, or you are really stupid. The thread was about Cape Wind. No, Scotty's position is and was that wind and solar "don't work". |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:49:08 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
I agree that onshore wind turbines are a lot better than anything in salt water but we own boats, we know about salt water. There are still noise and bird kill issues.. It does seem to be a high paying job maintaining these things as long as hanging on a rope a few hundred feet in the air is not a problem for you. I am curious what the maintenance costs will be over time. These things seem to be very fragile according to that show the Weather Channel dropped in last week. At least here on the East Coast, off shore is where the wind is. As for bird kills, while unfortunate, compare the numbers to habitat loss of open pit mining and such. As an aside, I use to work on an oil rig in the Baltimore Canyon. I remember during migration, we would literally fill 5 gallon buckets of dead birds, mostly small warblers, daily. I can't remember if there was a storm that blew them out there, but most of them flew there last mile. We were 100 miles off AC. |
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On 9/4/2012 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the offshore wind business. "the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116 === A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could change things almost over night. Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the "environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within "x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them. Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. |
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On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... |
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Windmills A tribute to Ted
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On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ |
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says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. |
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... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. |
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Windmills A tribute to Ted
On 9/5/2012 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down and stationary whenever I am there for weekends.. |
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On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:52:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote: Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down and stationary whenever I am there for weekends.. === Do yourself a favor and visit one of the large wind farms before making snap judgements. I've seen several that were very impressive and the people that lived near them had no issues. Here is one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZZ-6uIKa0o The background noise that you hear is wind on the microphone. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ...
On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. --------------------------------- They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big percentage of our power requirements. |
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On 9/6/2012 12:13 AM, Califbill wrote:
"JustWait" wrote in message ... On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. --------------------------------- They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big percentage of our power requirements. I dunno, I am getting the impression the more I look that they are creating more maintenance jobs, than electricity... I will look into it a bit more but I really don't hear a lot about successful "farms" and most times when I see them in the northeast, they are not moving. Just sayin'. |
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On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. You stupid moron!!! They are "up to it", and have been for a long time. |
Windmills A tribute to Ted
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On 9/6/2012 12:13 AM, Califbill wrote: "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. --------------------------------- They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big percentage of our power requirements. I dunno, I am getting the impression the more I look that they are creating more maintenance jobs, than electricity. Cite? ... I will look into it a bit more but I really don't hear a lot about successful "farms" and most times when I see them in the northeast, they are not moving. Just sayin'. Really? Look at the wind farms in CA, western NY, etc. |
Windmills A tribute to Ted
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. It's more insane right wing bull****. I've been near the ones on Altamont Pass in CA, never heard a noise from them. I have a relative on a farm in western PA where they have them now, and no noise. --------------------------------------------------------- the ones on Altamont are noisy if you are close. Especially the older ones. If you fish or boat Bethany Reservoir you will be up close and personal with the turbines. Been there, not very noisy at all, and they are the old type. The ones in western PA and western NY are virtually noiseless. |
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says... On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:52:06 -0400, JustWait wrote: Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down and stationary whenever I am there for weekends.. === Do yourself a favor and visit one of the large wind farms before making snap judgements. I've seen several that were very impressive and the people that lived near them had no issues. Here is one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZZ-6uIKa0o The background noise that you hear is wind on the microphone. But Scotty the expert says that they don't work!!!!! |
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... In article , says... On 9/6/2012 12:13 AM, Califbill wrote: "JustWait" wrote in message ... On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait wrote: Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though, most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the time. === How big was it? The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise. The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience. http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/ Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the town according to the reviews... You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud. http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/ Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW talking about clean coal. If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they are paying you enough to put the turbines there. Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well, nothing. --------------------------- Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough. In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for years.. --------------------------------- They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big percentage of our power requirements. I dunno, I am getting the impression the more I look that they are creating more maintenance jobs, than electricity. Cite? ... I will look into it a bit more but I really don't hear a lot about successful "farms" and most times when I see them in the northeast, they are not moving. Just sayin'. Really? Look at the wind farms in CA, western NY, etc. --------------------------- Living near the wind farms in California and towing the boat by them when going to the Delta and lakes, you see lots of dead windmills. Especially the older models. The new ones take less overall maintenance as there are fewer for the same power output. But figuring the amount of dead old ones, how much actual energy gain did we get? Figure the energy to manufacture and install and maintain them. Plus look at the growth of energy consumption. We need to change the connectors to most rechargeable electronic to the same type. Then you would not have to have 10 different wall warts plugged in consuming energy when nothing is being charged. Probably Nuclear is the only answer to having enough electrical energy without the environmental drawbacks of coal mining and oil usage. We just have to decide how to handle the waste from a nuke plant, which is not that much high level amount wise. |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 10:12:39 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: The new ones take less overall maintenance as there are fewer for the same power output. But figuring the amount of dead old ones, how much actual energy gain did we get? === As an engineer you must know about climbing up the learning curve. This modern generation of wind farms is less than 10 years old which is not exactly a mature technology yet. Considering that each large windmill saves the energy equivalent of $400/hour of fossil fuel, it's worth some time and effort. From a strategic standpoint it is very important that we figure out how to make ourselves independent of middle eastern energy sources. They don't like us very much and it's only a matter of time before the entire region becomes unstable and unreliable. I'm beginning to think there's yet another sailboat in my future. (please note clever introduction of an on topic subject) |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:24:47 -0400, wrote:
If you want to worry about that, look at our Israel policy. === I wouldn't touch that with *your* ten foot pole. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:56:19 -0700, Califbill wrote: Yes we are on the learning curve, but it will be near impossible to really get enough reliable energy via wind or solar to replace most of the power plants. Especially with the growth in energy consumption. Maybe not most of the power plants, but plans are for 20% by 2030. South Dakota is already producing 20% of their needs with wind energy. Iowa is right on their tail. ----------------------------- Lots of wind, open land and little population or manufacturing. Easy to supply 20%. Do not know the percentage anymore but in the 1970's 50% of the people lived within 500 miles of NYC. So how do you supply that dense population? Where are the consistant winds? |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:00:11 -0700, Califbill wrote:
Maybe not most of the power plants, but plans are for 20% by 2030. South Dakota is already producing 20% of their needs with wind energy. Iowa is right on their tail. ----------------------------- Lots of wind, open land and little population or manufacturing. Easy to supply 20%. Do not know the percentage anymore but in the 1970's 50% of the people lived within 500 miles of NYC. So how do you supply that dense population? Where are the consistant winds? It seems to me, 20% is a pretty good chunk. Renewables, have already surpassed nuclear in providing US energy, although hydro is the largest chunk of that. As for strictly wind, it seems to me, offshore is the only chance for that here in the NE. This map shows the potential. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:United_States_Wind_Resources_and_Transmission _Lines_map.jpg |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:16:50 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:15:58 +0000 (UTC), thunder wrote: Maybe not most of the power plants, but plans are for 20% by 2030. South Dakota is already producing 20% of their needs with wind energy. Iowa is right on their tail. The Onan on Wayne's boat would provide 20% of South Dakota's energy needs. The problem is really the population centers on the coasts where real estate is at a premium. And the coasts have very good potential for wind, albeit offshore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:United_States_Wind_Resources_and_Transmission _Lines_map.jpg |
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says... On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 13:09:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:23:06 -0400, wrote: The thing I noticed at the ones we saw in Canada and North Dakota was more of a thump than a loud noise. You feel it more than hear it. === What causes the "thump" ? The displaced air. It is a low frequency pressure wave. You really feel it as much as hear it. I suppose a lot has to do with the pitch of the blades because it seems to come and go. We stopped outside Minot SD and watched the two they have there for longer than my wife was happy about but it was really a nice day, cool with a nice breeze. We walked around them a while and I shot some pictures. That was one of the places that I saw one being feathered and restarted a few times. It really looked like they were using it to balance the grid. The air would be displaced at a constant, round pattern, though. |
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says... On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 06:34:13 +0000 (UTC), thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:16:50 -0400, gfretwell wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:15:58 +0000 (UTC), thunder wrote: Maybe not most of the power plants, but plans are for 20% by 2030. South Dakota is already producing 20% of their needs with wind energy. Iowa is right on their tail. The Onan on Wayne's boat would provide 20% of South Dakota's energy needs. The problem is really the population centers on the coasts where real estate is at a premium. And the coasts have very good potential for wind, albeit offshore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:United_States_Wind_Resources_and_Transmissio n_Lines_map.jpg Offshore in salt water becomes a maintenance nightmare. That is what the dutch found out. They don't have hurricanes either. The mid Atlantic coast of the US has really just been lucky. If they had a Cat 2 or 3 skirt the coast, most of your windmills would be fishing reefs. Salt life would be a major maintenance problem for sure. But one could easily be designed to withstand hurricane force winds. There just isn't enough surface area to worry about that much. |
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:46:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
The air would be displaced at a constant, round pattern, though. === You'd think so but the blades may spin off tip vortices, or somehow interact with the supporting pole in some asymmetric way. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:00:11 -0700, Califbill wrote: Maybe not most of the power plants, but plans are for 20% by 2030. South Dakota is already producing 20% of their needs with wind energy. Iowa is right on their tail. ----------------------------- Lots of wind, open land and little population or manufacturing. Easy to supply 20%. Do not know the percentage anymore but in the 1970's 50% of the people lived within 500 miles of NYC. So how do you supply that dense population? Where are the consistant winds? It seems to me, 20% is a pretty good chunk. Renewables, have already surpassed nuclear in providing US energy, although hydro is the largest chunk of that. As for strictly wind, it seems to me, offshore is the only chance for that here in the NE. This map shows the potential. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:United_States_Wind_Resources_and_Transmission _Lines_map.jpg -------------------------------- 20% is only for a very sparsely populated area with lots of wind and small energy needs for the total area. The coastal area where most of the people live, just do not have enough land and wind to supply 20%. |
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