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On 9/6/2012 7:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B
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From a strategic standpoint it is very important that we figure out
how to make ourselves independent of middle eastern energy sources.
They don't like us very much and it's only a matter of time before the
entire region becomes unstable and unreliable.

Et Tu Brute?

The fact is we get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle
east and electricity comes from gas or coal if it is "fossil fuel".

Windmills (solar etc) have very little to do with the middle east
situation.
If you want to worry about that, look at our Israel policy.


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Yes we are on the learning curve, but it will be near impossible to
really get enough reliable energy via wind or solar to replace most of
the power plants. Especially with the growth in energy consumption.


Solar especially is not gonna' cut it till they come up with a whole
'nuther angle...

Well, you think that because you're stupid.

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On 9/6/2012 7:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

From a strategic standpoint it is very important that we figure out
how to make ourselves independent of middle eastern energy sources.
They don't like us very much and it's only a matter of time before the
entire region becomes unstable and unreliable.

Et Tu Brute?

The fact is we get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle
east and electricity comes from gas or coal if it is "fossil fuel".

Windmills (solar etc) have very little to do with the middle east
situation.
If you want to worry about that, look at our Israel policy.


--------------------
Yes we are on the learning curve, but it will be near impossible to
really get enough reliable energy via wind or solar to replace most of
the power plants. Especially with the growth in energy consumption.


Solar especially is not gonna' cut it till they come up with a whole
'nuther angle...

Well, you think that because you're stupid.

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You show some stupidity also. Until we do come up with another angle on
solar it is not really viable. Most solar panels deteriorate fairly
rapidly. Especially the surface of the covering.

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In article , says...

On 9/6/2012 7:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

From a strategic standpoint it is very important that we figure out
how to make ourselves independent of middle eastern energy sources.
They don't like us very much and it's only a matter of time before the
entire region becomes unstable and unreliable.

Et Tu Brute?

The fact is we get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle
east and electricity comes from gas or coal if it is "fossil fuel".

Windmills (solar etc) have very little to do with the middle east
situation.
If you want to worry about that, look at our Israel policy.


--------------------
Yes we are on the learning curve, but it will be near impossible to
really get enough reliable energy via wind or solar to replace most of
the power plants. Especially with the growth in energy consumption.


Solar especially is not gonna' cut it till they come up with a whole
'nuther angle...

Well, you think that because you're stupid.

-------------------------------------------
You show some stupidity also. Until we do come up with another angle on
solar it is not really viable. Most solar panels deteriorate fairly
rapidly. Especially the surface of the covering.

Again, you are thinking about old technology. New solar panels are not
anything like the old.

http://www.technologyreview.com/spec...port.aspx?id=7

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/08/new...s-electricity-
and-hydrogen/

http://www.treehugger.com/clean-tech...is-98-plastic-
and-catches-a-record-breaking-96-of-incident-light.html

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On 9/6/2012 7:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:01:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

From a strategic standpoint it is very important that we figure out
how to make ourselves independent of middle eastern energy sources.
They don't like us very much and it's only a matter of time before
the
entire region becomes unstable and unreliable.

Et Tu Brute?

The fact is we get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle
east and electricity comes from gas or coal if it is "fossil fuel".

Windmills (solar etc) have very little to do with the middle east
situation.
If you want to worry about that, look at our Israel policy.


--------------------
Yes we are on the learning curve, but it will be near impossible to
really get enough reliable energy via wind or solar to replace most of
the power plants. Especially with the growth in energy consumption.


Solar especially is not gonna' cut it till they come up with a whole
'nuther angle...

Well, you think that because you're stupid.

-------------------------------------------
You show some stupidity also. Until we do come up with another angle on
solar it is not really viable. Most solar panels deteriorate fairly
rapidly. Especially the surface of the covering.

Again, you are thinking about old technology. New solar panels are not
anything like the old.

http://www.technologyreview.com/spec...port.aspx?id=7

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/08/new...s-electricity-
and-hydrogen/

http://www.treehugger.com/clean-tech...is-98-plastic-
and-catches-a-record-breaking-96-of-incident-light.html

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The problem is the surface coatings deteriorate and cut down the efficiency.