Yes it is this bad.
 

Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...els/57173108/1

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Aug 20, 11:53*pm, Tim wrote:
Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

That sucks...our only problem here on the coast is launching at low
tide on most ramps.
I did find one in St Margaret's Bay that is actually better at low
tide because of the slope of the ramp.
This year I broke down and bought the Govt issued Tide book for the
Atlantic coast of Nova Scotia. It supplements the tide clock I have
mounted just inside the front door of the house.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...els/57173108/1

===

I hate it when that happens. We've had plenty of rain in Florida this
summer. I'll try harder to send some in your direction.

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USFL0438&animate=true

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Aug 20, 10:22*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

===

I hate it when that happens. *We've had plenty of rain in Florida this
summer. *I'll try harder to send some in your direction.

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USFL0....

Wow, it's going from the Gulf to the Atlantic. It's going the wrong
way!

I repositioned the map you posted, Wayne. If you make a triangle from
STL (St. Louis MO)- MTO (Mattoon IL) and EVV (Evansville IN), We're
somewhere in the middle.

We're a bit water challenged here at the moment.

http://www.intellicast.com/National/...spx?region=spi

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Aug 20, 10:08*pm, North Star wrote:
On Aug 20, 11:53*pm, Tim wrote:

Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

That sucks...our only problem here on the coast is launching at low
tide on most ramps.
I did find one in St Margaret's Bay that is actually better at low
tide because of the slope of the ramp.
This year I broke down and bought the Govt issued Tide book for the
Atlantic coast of Nova Scotia. *It supplements the tide clock I have
mounted just inside the front door of the house.

I wish we were that lucky, Don. There's no such things as tides here,
and if there was, one side of the lake would rise leaving the other
side bone dry.

LOL!

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Aug 20, 9:53*pm, Tim wrote:
Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

We were in St. Louis this Saturday and crossing the 'bridge' you could
see the barges on the banks of the "Mighty Miss." almost as if they
had been beached.

There's a couple public landings in view when crossing the river on
I-64 that are usually crammed full of trucks and boat trailers. I
think we counted 5 in one and 3 in another. Mostly short single axle
types, which would indicate small, shallow draft fishing boats.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Yes it is this bad.
 

In article 339b91f7-6a89-4ed2-be49-
,
says...

On Aug 20, 11:53*pm, Tim wrote:
Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

That sucks...our only problem here on the coast is launching at low
tide on most ramps.
I did find one in St Margaret's Bay that is actually better at low
tide because of the slope of the ramp.
This year I broke down and bought the Govt issued Tide book for the
Atlantic coast of Nova Scotia. It supplements the tide clock I have
mounted just inside the front door of the house.

Wow, gutsy move.

Yes it is this bad.
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

Have any evidence of that really happening? I didn't think so.....

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

Have any evidence of that really happening? I didn't think so.....

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/12 10:14 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..


Unlike you, Psycho Scotty, I've actually known some people of
significance, good and not so good, in my lifetime. You on the other
hand have known no one of significance.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Yes it is this bad.
 

In article m,
says...

On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

Nah, it's all bull****, as usual.

Yes it is this bad.
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/21/12 10:14 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..


Unlike you, Psycho Scotty, I've actually known some people of
significance, good and not so good, in my lifetime. You on the other
hand have known no one of significance.

How do you know that?

"self praise sucks" Harry Krause, 2012.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser was
not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle the
marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down. Interestingly, the
contract the IBT was negotiating for the farmworkers it represented was
much stronger than what Chavez was getting. The IBT had more clout. But
Chavez was a favorite of the powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his
group was an affiliate, so I wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a
50-foot pole.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/21/12 11:22 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/21/12 10:14 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..


Unlike you, Psycho Scotty, I've actually known some people of
significance, good and not so good, in my lifetime. You on the other
hand have known no one of significance.

How do you know that?

"self praise sucks" Harry Krause, 2012.


Because no one of significance would have any reason to deal with Psycho
Scotty.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Aug 21, 10:06*am, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man









wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. * :-)

Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.

"There is no honor among thieves"

Yes it is this bad.
 

North Star wrote:
On Aug 20, 11:53 pm, Tim wrote:
Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...
That sucks...our only problem here on the coast is launching at low
tide on most ramps.
I did find one in St Margaret's Bay that is actually better at low
tide because of the slope of the ramp.
This year I broke down and bought the Govt issued Tide book for the
Atlantic coast of Nova Scotia. It supplements the tide clock I have
mounted just inside the front door of the house.
It should be on your GPS.

Yes it is this bad.
 

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.

Yes it is this bad.
 

In article , earl83878
@hotmail.com says...

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.

What, you seem to not believe Harry? Has he ever lied here? Oh, wait,
never mind.

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:55:01 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.

Unreal. That was from the guy who proudly stated, "Self-praise sucks."

Yes it is this bad.
 

On 8/23/12 3:56 PM, JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:55:01 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.

Unreal. That was from the guy who proudly stated, "Self-praise sucks."


In your next life perhaps you'll find a useful career.

--

What do the Republican Party of the United States and the Muslim
Brotherhood of the Arab World have in common? They're both faith-based
parties, they both deny science, and they both wage war on women.

Yes it is this bad.
 

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:55:01 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.
===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)

Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.
I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.


The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.
Unreal. That was from the guy who proudly stated, "Self-praise sucks."
Did he really post that?

Yes it is this bad.
 

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:03:15 -0400, Earl wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:55:01 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.
===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)

Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.
I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.


The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.
Unreal. That was from the guy who proudly stated, "Self-praise sucks."
Did he really post that?

Yup.

Yes it is this bad.
 

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:03:15 -0400, Earl wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:55:01 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.
===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)

Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy
drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had
been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a
joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several
times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.
I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.


The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser
was not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle
the marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down.
Interestingly, the contract the IBT was negotiating for the
farmworkers it represented was much stronger than what Chavez was
getting. The IBT had more clout. But Chavez was a favorite of the
powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his group was an affiliate, so I
wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a 50-foot pole.

Sure, Harry.
Unreal. That was from the guy who proudly stated, "Self-praise sucks."
Did he really post that?
Yup.
He's a freaking narcissist. That doesn't make sense unless he is
oblivious to that fact.