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jps August 11th 12 07:57 PM

Social disease
 

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

It wasn't enough back then to curb deaths just by trying to make
people better drivers, and it isn't enough now to tackle gun violence
by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting, he and other
doctors say.

They want a science-based, pragmatic approach based on the reality
that we live in a society saturated with guns and need better ways of
preventing harm from them.

The need for a new approach crystallized last Sunday for one of the
nation's leading gun violence experts, Dr. Stephen Hargarten. He found
himself treating victims of the Sikh temple shootings at the emergency
department he heads in Milwaukee. Seven people were killed, including
the gunman, and three were seriously injured.

It happened two weeks after the shooting that killed 12 people and
injured 58 at a movie theater in Colorado, and two days before a man
pleaded guilty to killing six people and wounding 13, including
then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Tucson, Ariz., last year.

"What I'm struggling with is, is this the new social norm? This is
what we're going to have to live with if we have more personal access
to firearms," said Hargarten, emergency medicine chief at Froedtert
Hospital and director of the Injury Research Center at the Medical
College of Wisconsin. "We have a public health issue to discuss. Do we
wait for the next outbreak or is there something we can do to prevent
it?"

About 260 million to 300 million firearms are owned by civilians in
the United States; about one-third of American homes have one. Guns
are used in two-thirds of homicides, according to the FBI. About 9
percent of all violent crimes involve a gun - roughly 338,000 cases
each year.

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise, but not all police
agencies report details like the number of victims per shooting and
reporting lags by more than a year, so recent trends are not known.

"The greater toll is not from these clusters but from endemic
violence, the stuff that occurs every day and doesn't make the
headlines," said Wintemute, the California researcher.

More than 73,000 emergency room visits in 2010 were for
firearm-related injuries, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention estimates.

Dr. David Satcher tried to make gun violence a public health issue
when he became CDC director in 1993. Four years later, laws that allow
the carrying of concealed weapons drew attention when two women were
shot at an Indianapolis restaurant after a patron's gun fell out of
his pocket and accidentally fired. Ironically, the victims were health
educators in town for an American Public Health Association
convention.

That same year, Hargarten won a federal grant to establish the
nation's first Firearm Injury Center at the Medical College of
Wisconsin.

"Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national
product safety oversight of firearms," he wrote in the Wisconsin
Medical Journal.

That's just one aspect of a public health approach. Other elements:

-"Host" factors: What makes someone more likely to shoot, or someone
more likely to be a victim. One recent study found firearm owners were
more likely than those with no firearms at home to binge drink or to
drink and drive, and other research has tied alcohol and gun violence.
That suggests that people with driving under the influence convictions
should be barred from buying a gun, Wintemute said.

-Product features: Which firearms are most dangerous and why.
Manufacturers could be pressured to fix design defects that let guns
go off accidentally, and to add technology that allows only the owner
of the gun to fire it (many police officers and others are shot with
their own weapons). Bans on assault weapons and multiple magazines
that allow rapid and repeat firing are other possible steps.

-"Environmental" risk factors: What conditions allow or contribute to
shootings. Gun shops must do background checks and refuse to sell
firearms to people convicted of felonies or domestic violence
misdemeanors, but those convicted of other violent misdemeanors can
buy whatever they want. The rules also don't apply to private sales,
which one study estimates as 40 percent of the market.

-Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership - a
precursor to gun violence - can spread "much like an infectious
disease circulates," said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and
co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in
Baltimore.

"There's sort of a contagion phenomenon" after a shooting, where
people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he
said.

That's already evident in the wake of the Colorado movie-theater
shootings. Last week, reports popped up around the nation of people
bringing guns to "Batman" movies. Some of them said they did so for
protection.

jps August 11th 12 10:09 PM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,


So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor


Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.

X ` Man[_3_] August 11th 12 10:50 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.



What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?

Just curious.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

X ` Man[_3_] August 12th 12 12:20 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/11/12 5:45 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.



What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?

Just curious.


I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?


Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

North Star August 12th 12 12:29 AM

Social disease
 
On Aug 11, 8:20*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer


MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.


One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.


"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?


Just curious.


I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?


Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.


Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.
This week there was a news story about an American off duty cop
visiting a Calgary, Alberta park. He was cryin' that he couldn't
carry his gun there.
Reports say he got blasted by decent folk from both sides of the
border.

jps August 12th 12 12:58 AM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.


Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

jps August 12th 12 01:00 AM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Aug 11, 8:20*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer


MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.


One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.


"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?


Just curious.


I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?


Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.


Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.
This week there was a news story about an American off duty cop
visiting a Calgary, Alberta park. He was cryin' that he couldn't
carry his gun there.
Reports say he got blasted by decent folk from both sides of the
border.


He's a paranoid, jesus freak cop. Bad combination.

The guys who approached him "aggressively" were giving away free
tickets to the round up.

He thanked jesus he and his wife were able to avoid harm.

Meyer[_2_] August 12th 12 01:20 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/2012 7:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/11/12 5:45 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.



What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?

Just curious.


I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?


Never been mugged.

Well you should be.

Eisboch[_8_] August 12th 12 01:31 AM

Social disease
 


"jps" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400, wrote:


Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

--------------------------------------------------------

A mugging is different than a robbery.
A mugging is an assault upon a person usually with the intent to rob.
If assaulted, it is permissible under US law for civilians acting on
their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's
own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force.

But you better be ready to prove that it was necessary.




X ` Man[_3_] August 12th 12 01:34 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/12 8:31 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400, wrote:


Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

--------------------------------------------------------

A mugging is different than a robbery.
A mugging is an assault upon a person usually with the intent to rob.
If assaulted, it is permissible under US law for civilians acting on
their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's
own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force.

But you better be ready to prove that it was necessary.



Except, of course, in Florida.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

X ` Man[_3_] August 12th 12 01:44 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,

So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor


Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


Perhaps it is the black white attitude of the gun banners, as if
banning anything has ever limited it's availability.



It sure has in many free countries in other parts of the world.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Earl[_37_] August 12th 12 03:14 AM

Social disease
 
jps wrote:
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

It wasn't enough back then to curb deaths just by trying to make
people better drivers, and it isn't enough now to tackle gun violence
by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting, he and other
doctors say.

They want a science-based, pragmatic approach based on the reality
that we live in a society saturated with guns and need better ways of
preventing harm from them.

The need for a new approach crystallized last Sunday for one of the
nation's leading gun violence experts, Dr. Stephen Hargarten. He found
himself treating victims of the Sikh temple shootings at the emergency
department he heads in Milwaukee. Seven people were killed, including
the gunman, and three were seriously injured.

It happened two weeks after the shooting that killed 12 people and
injured 58 at a movie theater in Colorado, and two days before a man
pleaded guilty to killing six people and wounding 13, including
then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Tucson, Ariz., last year.

"What I'm struggling with is, is this the new social norm? This is
what we're going to have to live with if we have more personal access
to firearms," said Hargarten, emergency medicine chief at Froedtert
Hospital and director of the Injury Research Center at the Medical
College of Wisconsin. "We have a public health issue to discuss. Do we
wait for the next outbreak or is there something we can do to prevent
it?"

About 260 million to 300 million firearms are owned by civilians in
the United States; about one-third of American homes have one. Guns
are used in two-thirds of homicides, according to the FBI. About 9
percent of all violent crimes involve a gun - roughly 338,000 cases
each year.

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise, but not all police
agencies report details like the number of victims per shooting and
reporting lags by more than a year, so recent trends are not known.

"The greater toll is not from these clusters but from endemic
violence, the stuff that occurs every day and doesn't make the
headlines," said Wintemute, the California researcher.

More than 73,000 emergency room visits in 2010 were for
firearm-related injuries, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention estimates.

Dr. David Satcher tried to make gun violence a public health issue
when he became CDC director in 1993. Four years later, laws that allow
the carrying of concealed weapons drew attention when two women were
shot at an Indianapolis restaurant after a patron's gun fell out of
his pocket and accidentally fired. Ironically, the victims were health
educators in town for an American Public Health Association
convention.

That same year, Hargarten won a federal grant to establish the
nation's first Firearm Injury Center at the Medical College of
Wisconsin.

"Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national
product safety oversight of firearms," he wrote in the Wisconsin
Medical Journal.

That's just one aspect of a public health approach. Other elements:

-"Host" factors: What makes someone more likely to shoot, or someone
more likely to be a victim. One recent study found firearm owners were
more likely than those with no firearms at home to binge drink or to
drink and drive, and other research has tied alcohol and gun violence.
That suggests that people with driving under the influence convictions
should be barred from buying a gun, Wintemute said.

-Product features: Which firearms are most dangerous and why.
Manufacturers could be pressured to fix design defects that let guns
go off accidentally, and to add technology that allows only the owner
of the gun to fire it (many police officers and others are shot with
their own weapons). Bans on assault weapons and multiple magazines
that allow rapid and repeat firing are other possible steps.

-"Environmental" risk factors: What conditions allow or contribute to
shootings. Gun shops must do background checks and refuse to sell
firearms to people convicted of felonies or domestic violence
misdemeanors, but those convicted of other violent misdemeanors can
buy whatever they want. The rules also don't apply to private sales,
which one study estimates as 40 percent of the market.

-Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership - a
precursor to gun violence - can spread "much like an infectious
disease circulates," said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and
co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in
Baltimore.

"There's sort of a contagion phenomenon" after a shooting, where
people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he
said.

That's already evident in the wake of the Colorado movie-theater
shootings. Last week, reports popped up around the nation of people
bringing guns to "Batman" movies. Some of them said they did so for
protection.

This is rec.boats - wrong group.

X ` Man[_3_] August 12th 12 03:15 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/11/12 10:14 PM, Earl wrote:

This is rec.boats - wrong group.



As if you were here to discuss boats.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Earl[_37_] August 12th 12 03:16 AM

Social disease
 
North Star wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:20 pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:
On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer
MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.
What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.
One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.
"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.
What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?
Just curious.
I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?

Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.
This week there was a news story about an American off duty cop
visiting a Calgary, Alberta park. He was cryin' that he couldn't
carry his gun there.
Reports say he got blasted by decent folk from both sides of the
border.

Stick to spell-checking. Harry has been off lately.

Earl[_37_] August 12th 12 03:18 AM

Social disease
 
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/11/12 8:31 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400, wrote:


Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

--------------------------------------------------------

A mugging is different than a robbery.
A mugging is an assault upon a person usually with the intent to rob.
If assaulted, it is permissible under US law for civilians acting on
their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's
own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force.

But you better be ready to prove that it was necessary.



Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.

jps August 12th 12 10:09 AM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.


Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?


Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.


You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.

jps August 12th 12 10:10 AM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:00:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Aug 11, 8:20*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?

Just curious.

I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?

Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.
This week there was a news story about an American off duty cop
visiting a Calgary, Alberta park. He was cryin' that he couldn't
carry his gun there.
Reports say he got blasted by decent folk from both sides of the
border.


He's a paranoid, jesus freak cop. Bad combination.

The guys who approached him "aggressively" were giving away free
tickets to the round up.


I agree with part of that, I'd rather depend on Glock than Jesus, if I
need protection.

He thanked jesus he and his wife were able to avoid harm.


Idiots and their guns. When's the last time you used your gun to
defend yourself or your family? Tell us about it.

jps August 12th 12 10:12 AM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:39:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,

So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor


Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


Perhaps it is the black white attitude of the gun banners, as if
banning anything has ever limited it's availability.


I've never uttered a word about banning guns but every dweeb who calls
themselves conservative in this group has tried to put those words in
my mouth.

It's a simple world for you folks. I get it.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 12th 12 01:39 PM

Social disease
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:44:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.

Perhaps it is the black white attitude of the gun banners, as if
banning anything has ever limited it's availability.



It sure has in many free countries in other parts of the world.


We are talking about the US. What have we banned that you can't get
anymore.
What always happens is a criminal enterprise comes up around the
banned item and the government loses all control over who gets it.


DDT.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 12th 12 01:40 PM

Social disease
 
In article d58d22d1-12fc-4a8c-8a1e-4123c3a11ea7
@u7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 11, 8:20*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer


MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.


One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.


"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.


What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?


Just curious.


I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?


Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.


Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.


You sure nailed Harry! That statement fits him perfectly!


Meyer[_2_] August 12th 12 02:17 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/12/2012 5:09 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?


Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.


You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


Career crims mentally ill, alkies, gamblers, and druggies don't follow
the patterns of "human nature".I thought you had a clue but you don't.

The poor homeless and hungry do follow the rules of survival and human
nature. You need to be watchful and charitable towards them at the same
time.

It's a miracle you've never been mugged.

Meyer[_2_] August 12th 12 02:20 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/12/2012 5:10 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:00:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Aug 11, 8:20 pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 7:08 PM, wrote:





On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:50:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/11/12 5:45 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE —
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.
Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

What percentage of U.S. families have been mugged?

Just curious.

I'm sure the figure is pretty close to 100%, if you are one of them.
How many people hit guard rails?

Never been mugged.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Must be terrible to live so much in fear that you'd have to pack a
shootin' iron all the time.
This week there was a news story about an American off duty cop
visiting a Calgary, Alberta park. He was cryin' that he couldn't
carry his gun there.
Reports say he got blasted by decent folk from both sides of the
border.

He's a paranoid, jesus freak cop. Bad combination.

The guys who approached him "aggressively" were giving away free
tickets to the round up.


I agree with part of that, I'd rather depend on Glock than Jesus, if I
need protection.

He thanked jesus he and his wife were able to avoid harm.


Idiots and their guns. When's the last time you used your gun to
defend yourself or your family? Tell us about it.


When's the last time you used your fire extinguisher, assuming you have one.

BAR[_2_] August 12th 12 03:03 PM

Social disease
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:39:00 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,

So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor

Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


Perhaps it is the black white attitude of the gun banners, as if
banning anything has ever limited it's availability.


I've never uttered a word about banning guns but every dweeb who calls
themselves conservative in this group has tried to put those words in
my mouth.

It's a simple world for you folks. I get it.


What is your solution to crimes committed while armed?

BAR[_2_] August 12th 12 03:12 PM

Social disease
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?


Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.


You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


Criminals have been performing muggings, videoing them and then putting
them up on the web.



JustWait[_2_] August 12th 12 03:21 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/12/2012 10:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.


You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


Criminals have been performing muggings, videoing them and then putting
them up on the web.




I read up and saw "muggers want to see blood" and knew it had to be
jps... LOL, the guy is probably like harry, living in a basement,
watching fake vids on youtube... LOL!!!

iBoaterer[_2_] August 12th 12 03:45 PM

Social disease
 
In article , says...

On 8/12/2012 10:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.

You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


Criminals have been performing muggings, videoing them and then putting
them up on the web.




I read up and saw "muggers want to see blood" and knew it had to be
jps... LOL, the guy is probably like harry, living in a basement,
watching fake vids on youtube... LOL!!!


So... are you saying that muggings don't happen, or that people don't
get killed, or what? Your insane ramblings need to be translated.

John H[_2_] August 12th 12 03:53 PM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.


So what's your solution, jps?

You keep posting your whines, but present nothing positive. How would you fix the problem?

John H[_2_] August 12th 12 03:54 PM

Social disease
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,


So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor


Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


All decisions are the result of a binary process.

John H[_2_] August 12th 12 03:56 PM

Social disease
 
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:12:22 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:39:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,

So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor

Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


Perhaps it is the black white attitude of the gun banners, as if
banning anything has ever limited it's availability.


I've never uttered a word about banning guns but every dweeb who calls
themselves conservative in this group has tried to put those words in
my mouth.

It's a simple world for you folks. I get it.


So just what would you do, jps? Present us your complicated solution.

Meyer[_2_] August 12th 12 05:54 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/12/2012 10:54 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:53 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts,

So do we, yet you don't seriously advocate banning cars, alcohol or
tobacco. They are even promoting the sexual behavior that is most
responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus.

Find a better metaphor


Why do conservatives always jump to black or white? Why is the world
so binary for you folks?

Banning cars? How about seat belts and air bags, lower speed limits
and crash suppression on the highway, better driver education, smarter
automobile technology to help prevent accidents?

Promoting sexual behavior? No, accepting that it's some people's
natural way of living.

Again, why the black and white world? Too simple and you know it.


All decisions are the result of a binary process.


Managers don't think much of folks like JPS They would rather deal with
people who bring solutions, not problems.

jps August 13th 12 07:20 PM

Social disease
 
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:21:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 8/12/2012 10:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.

You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


Criminals have been performing muggings, videoing them and then putting
them up on the web.




I read up and saw "muggers want to see blood" and knew it had to be
jps... LOL, the guy is probably like harry, living in a basement,
watching fake vids on youtube... LOL!!!


You have a problem with reading comprehension, at the very least.

jps August 13th 12 07:20 PM

Social disease
 
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:33:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:09:18 -0700, jps wrote:


Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.


So, half of you are calling me a liberal and half of you are calling
me a righty.

I must be getting it about right.


You sound like a scared righty.

X ` Man[_3_] August 13th 12 07:26 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/13/12 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:21:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 8/12/2012 10:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:04 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:58:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:45:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:52 -0700, jps wrote:


Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Chief Medical Writer

MILWAUKEE ?
Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public
health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling
for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem,
like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws
that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number
of vehicles on the road rose.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having
sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that,"
said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs
the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of
California, Davis.

Next time you or your family is mugged I hope you have a safe guard
rail for protection.

You'd be stupid enough to reach for a weapon if your family is being
mugged? Really?

Sounds like a sure bet for someone to get killed or maimed. I don't
think that's worth losing earthly possessions. Are your cash and
credit cards worth dying over?

Yes, I would. Bad actors don't necessarily just want your money and go
away..... some like to see blood, suffering, and death.

Given the choice between proactively defending myself and hoping the
criminal respects my well being, I'll always choose the former.

You're stupid. Most people performing muggings want your money and
whatever they could pawn.

Escalating that to a life and death situation with your own hands is
folly.

Cash, credit cards, jewelry, etc. can all be replaced.

Sounds like you don't have a clue about human nature, typical of a
righty who lives scared.

Criminals have been performing muggings, videoing them and then putting
them up on the web.




I read up and saw "muggers want to see blood" and knew it had to be
jps... LOL, the guy is probably like harry, living in a basement,
watching fake vids on youtube... LOL!!!


You have a problem with reading comprehension, at the very least.


He's a paranoid schizophrenic...

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Earl[_37_] August 14th 12 02:10 AM

Social disease
 
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:18:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.

Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.

If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.

JustWait[_2_] August 14th 12 03:47 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/13/2012 9:10 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:18:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.

Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.

If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.


Wow, another harry krause.. perfect... plonk

JustWait[_2_] August 14th 12 03:48 AM

Social disease
 
On 8/13/2012 10:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:10:31 -0400, Earl
wrote:

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.
Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.

If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.


You are assuming things that are not in evidence. There is no proof
that he did anything but watch Martin.

Zimmerman's defense fund was started over a month after the shooting
and after he was convicted in the media,


yes, but msnbc told him differently and he doesn't want any more info
than that...

iBoaterer[_2_] August 14th 12 01:33 PM

Social disease
 
In article , says...

On 8/13/2012 10:22 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:10:31 -0400, Earl
wrote:

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.
Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.
If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.


You are assuming things that are not in evidence. There is no proof
that he did anything but watch Martin.

Zimmerman's defense fund was started over a month after the shooting
and after he was convicted in the media,


yes, but msnbc told him differently and he doesn't want any more info
than that...


Bull****, FOX told you righties that Zimmerman is innocent and you've
went with that.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 14th 12 01:34 PM

Social disease
 
In article , says...

On 8/13/2012 9:10 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:18:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.
Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.

If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.


Wow, another harry krause.. perfect... plonk


What would you have done if some cop wannabe confronted you in the dark,
you didn't know what he wanted, didn't know him, he didn't identify
himself, etc.? Lay down like a coward?

X ` Man[_3_] August 14th 12 04:41 PM

Social disease
 
On 8/14/12 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 8/13/2012 9:10 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:18:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.
Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.
If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.

Wow, another harry krause.. perfect... plonk


What would you have done if some cop wannabe confronted you in the dark,
you didn't know what he wanted, didn't know him, he didn't identify
himself, etc.? Lay down like a coward?


So now you admit Martin attacked Zimmerman?



You righties sure like to jump to conclusions.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 14th 12 05:20 PM

Social disease
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 8/13/2012 9:10 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:18:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

Except, of course, in Florida.

FL laws are solid. Zimmerman was wrong and guilty of manslaughter IMO.
Unless Zimmerman's story is true and Martin attacked him.
If some cop-wannabe douche bag was chasing me around against police
orders I might have confronted him, too. The fact that Zimmerman set up
a defense fund immediately after the shooting is odd. The lies about
that fund that followed are enough for me to make a decision.

Wow, another harry krause.. perfect... plonk


What would you have done if some cop wannabe confronted you in the dark,
you didn't know what he wanted, didn't know him, he didn't identify
himself, etc.? Lay down like a coward?


So now you admit Martin attacked Zimmerman?


Nope. Try again. Notice the word "if".


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