Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

On 8/14/12 4:50 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
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Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

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I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.

But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.

Both Romney and Ryan come from privileged upbringings, as is amply
evident in their both having 7.1 channel surround sound tin ears.

If the Dems have a clue, they'll position them as tools of the rich,
with little understanding or regard for people who didn't hit the
sperm/egg jackpot.



I'd like to see some relentless ads from the Dem PACS that hit a lot,
lot harder on Romney's refusal to release more tax returns. He isn't
holding back because he's afraid of disclosing more of his "privacy."
He's holding back because if he releases them, he'll drop like a stone
in the polls and never have a chance to recover.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.

What the right wing (and everyone else) will be affected by is the guy's
voting record. TARP, the auto bailouts, etc. Ryan voted for those very
things that the right has been crying about for three years.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order
to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.

But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

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Let's put aside the "job creators" getting bigger tax breaks for a
moment, as well as the rest of the politically charged paragraphs that
I snipped out.
Let's just talk about the voucher system for a moment, because that is
a serious health care reform proposal .. right or wrong.

You left some minor details that are contained in Ryan's Medicare
reform proposal:

1. Those who are 55 or older will see no change in the system. The
government will continue to pay directly for Medicare covered costs.

2. The federal government will still be very much involved, but it's
role will change. Rather than directly paying for medical costs,
whatever they are, up to a person's Medicare limit, it will become a
broker of approved procedures and costs with oversight responsibility.
This will help control overcharging of hospitals and the doctors
associated with them. As it is now, hospitals and doctors order
costly tests and procedures, many totally unnecessary. We just got a
hospital bill for someone who recently visited an emergency room with
a fractured skull. The CAT scan was obviously necessary but $90
for a Tylenol?

3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.

But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.

Both Romney and Ryan come from privileged upbringings, as is amply
evident in their both having 7.1 channel surround sound tin ears.

If the Dems have a clue, they'll position them as tools of the rich,
with little understanding or regard for people who didn't hit the
sperm/egg jackpot.

There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!
Not too hard to understand - not at all.
Only "rich" old people can afford private health insurance premiums.
Even if Ryan got his way, in 15 years the 55 year olds he cut out of
Medicare will be 70. They'll start dropping like flies, unable to
afford even a minor surgery that would give them another 5 years.
So they'll put Medicare back in, or suffer revolution.
The answer to it is to cut costs. Death panels for the old ****ers
whose time has come but don't want to die because they think they should
live forever, fewer limos for the doc and other health industry teat-
suckers who make a living keeping them alive, etc, etc.
Only the rich should be able to extend their lives past the point
they've turned rotten through and through.
Good for them. They've "earned" it.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.

Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

On 8/14/12 6:03 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.

Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?



What? You don't think a voucher system that forces the elderly to deal
with the sharks in the health care insurance biz would be preferable? :)



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

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Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of
the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care
would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.

Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?
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I think you misunderstood or I didn't make it clear.
As proposed, the option would exist to opt out of the *voucher* system
and revert back to Medicare as it exists now.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore.
It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and
doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private
insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.

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I like that.

My concern is that a totally government run bureaucracy could be much,
much worse. If you haven't noticed they tend to bloat over time.