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X ` Man[_3_] August 11th 12 01:03 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
....hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

An extreme right-wing policy wonk who in his own way is as divisive as
Sarah Palin.

Way to go, Mendacious Mitt, and thanks!

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

John H[_2_] August 11th 12 01:45 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.

X ` Man[_3_] August 11th 12 01:55 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/11/12 7:45 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.



Awwwwwww.

Is your white sheet and topper clean enough for your klan meeting today?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Meyer[_2_] August 11th 12 02:02 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/11/2012 7:45 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.

I can't remember when the last crapless post from Krause apeared on
rec.boats

X ` Man[_3_] August 11th 12 04:12 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/11/12 10:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

...hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

An extreme right-wing policy wonk who in his own way is as divisive as
Sarah Palin.

Way to go, Mendacious Mitt, and thanks!


Great plan. Ryan was the architect of the Republican plan to kill
Medicare. There went the 65 and over vote.


It'll have more of an impact on the 50 to 60 year old voters. On that
and many other issues, Ryan *is* the third rail. The TV commercials
against him are going to be devastating.

It's too bad he can run for Veep and run to keep his Congressional seat.


--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Eisboch[_8_] August 11th 12 05:14 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


wrote in message ...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

...hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

An extreme right-wing policy wonk who in his own way is as divisive
as
Sarah Palin.

Way to go, Mendacious Mitt, and thanks!


Great plan. Ryan was the architect of the Republican plan to kill
Medicare. There went the 65 and over vote.

-------------------------------------------------

Some of those on the "left" here have been very critical of
"conservatives" who refuse to accept change as situations warrant
change.
Why is this different with Medicare? We are heading towards a
brick wall at 90 miles an hour. Isn't it responsible to be looking
for an alternate route?



jps August 11th 12 09:48 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:14:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

...hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

An extreme right-wing policy wonk who in his own way is as divisive
as
Sarah Palin.

Way to go, Mendacious Mitt, and thanks!


Great plan. Ryan was the architect of the Republican plan to kill
Medicare. There went the 65 and over vote.

-------------------------------------------------

Some of those on the "left" here have been very critical of
"conservatives" who refuse to accept change as situations warrant
change.
Why is this different with Medicare? We are heading towards a
brick wall at 90 miles an hour. Isn't it responsible to be looking
for an alternate route?


How about we stop bombing brown people and giving ungodly amounts of
money to the Pentagon?

*e#c August 12th 12 01:39 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Aug 11, 7:45*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.


Flagged as Spam.......

X ` Man[_3_] August 12th 12 01:40 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/11/12 7:39 PM, *e#c wrote:
On Aug 11, 7:45 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.


Flagged as Spam.......



You and herring could compete for who posts the most moronic crap on
rec.boats. It would be a tough competition.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

jps August 12th 12 02:01 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:39:19 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Aug 11, 7:45*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.


Flagged as Spam.......


Can we buy you a badge to wear?

Earl[_37_] August 12th 12 03:57 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
*e#c wrote:
On Aug 11, 7:45 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.

Flagged as Spam.......

Nice try, but your flagging doesn't do anything in Usenet.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 12th 12 02:51 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
In article , earl11875
@hotmail.com says...

*e#c wrote:
On Aug 11, 7:45 am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:03:01 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

More Krause Krapp.

Flagged as Spam.......

Nice try, but your flagging doesn't do anything in Usenet.


I wonder if he really thinks it does? Is he that stupid?

Meyer[_2_] August 12th 12 02:55 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/12/2012 5:17 AM, jps wrote:
I also afford charity to those less fortunate, something that Paul
Ryan doesn't think is necessary.


Picking up your day labor in front of Home Depot is not charity.

Eisboch[_8_] August 14th 12 09:32 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



X ` Man[_3_] August 14th 12 09:40 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/12 3:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message ...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or anywhere
else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have to
be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



We actually have no way to tell what might happen to Medicare, Medicaid
or Social Security or when if the ultra conservatives like Ryan are put
in charge.



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Eisboch[_8_] August 14th 12 09:47 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 3:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere
else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to
be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47
years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



We actually have no way to tell what might happen to Medicare,
Medicaid
or Social Security or when if the ultra conservatives like Ryan are
put
in charge.
--------------------------------------------

Maybe. But we certainly know what will happen to them if nothing is
done.




X ` Man[_3_] August 14th 12 09:52 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/12 3:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 3:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or anywhere
else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have to
be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



We actually have no way to tell what might happen to Medicare, Medicaid
or Social Security or when if the ultra conservatives like Ryan are put
in charge.
--------------------------------------------

Maybe. But we certainly know what will happen to them if nothing is done.




No one rational is denying that we need a better, more efficient way to
deliver health services to all of those who need them. The Republican
way seems to be to first **** over those who need the health services
and cut back even more on what remains of our social safety net *and*
hand over even bigger tax cuts to the wealthy. Part of Ryan's budget
plans, for example, would lower the tax rate of people like Romney to
nearly zero.

Sorry, there's no reason to trust or even consider plans from extremists
like Ryan.

BTW, is it true that in 14 years in congress, he's gotten two bills
passed and one was to rename a post office?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Eisboch[_8_] August 14th 12 10:15 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 3:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 3:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they
didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere
else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security
have to
be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47
years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



We actually have no way to tell what might happen to Medicare,
Medicaid
or Social Security or when if the ultra conservatives like Ryan are
put
in charge.
--------------------------------------------

Maybe. But we certainly know what will happen to them if nothing is
done.




No one rational is denying that we need a better, more efficient way
to
deliver health services to all of those who need them. The Republican
way seems to be to first **** over those who need the health services
and cut back even more on what remains of our social safety net *and*
hand over even bigger tax cuts to the wealthy. Part of Ryan's budget
plans, for example, would lower the tax rate of people like Romney to
nearly zero.

Sorry, there's no reason to trust or even consider plans from
extremists
like Ryan.

BTW, is it true that in 14 years in congress, he's gotten two bills
passed and one was to rename a post office?

-------------------------------------------

Beats me. But I looked something up. Thousands upon thousands of
bills are written every year. Right now there are approximately
11,533 bills and/or resolutions before Congress. Only a handful ...
meaning a dozen or so .... will eventually become law.

Which raises another question.

Why do we need so many damn bills and/or new laws?

As for Ryan ... I am not promoting him or advocating for anything he
has proposed. I just happened to read some of the details of his
plan and, if you take away all the absolutes, prejudices and purely
biased politics, there are parts of it that make sense. However,
once you apply the manic, party line prejudices to it ... like death
squads and "throwing the elderly out on the street" type BS, there's
really no reason to discuss the subject any further.



jps August 14th 12 10:50 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.


But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.

Both Romney and Ryan come from privileged upbringings, as is amply
evident in their both having 7.1 channel surround sound tin ears.

If the Dems have a clue, they'll position them as tools of the rich,
with little understanding or regard for people who didn't hit the
sperm/egg jackpot.

jps August 14th 12 10:53 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:15:41 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"X ` Man" wrote in message
om...

On 8/14/12 3:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 3:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they
didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere
else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security
have to
be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47
years
old ... yet has been modified many times.



We actually have no way to tell what might happen to Medicare,
Medicaid
or Social Security or when if the ultra conservatives like Ryan are
put
in charge.
--------------------------------------------

Maybe. But we certainly know what will happen to them if nothing is
done.




No one rational is denying that we need a better, more efficient way
to
deliver health services to all of those who need them. The Republican
way seems to be to first **** over those who need the health services
and cut back even more on what remains of our social safety net *and*
hand over even bigger tax cuts to the wealthy. Part of Ryan's budget
plans, for example, would lower the tax rate of people like Romney to
nearly zero.

Sorry, there's no reason to trust or even consider plans from
extremists
like Ryan.

BTW, is it true that in 14 years in congress, he's gotten two bills
passed and one was to rename a post office?

-------------------------------------------

Beats me. But I looked something up. Thousands upon thousands of
bills are written every year. Right now there are approximately
11,533 bills and/or resolutions before Congress. Only a handful ...
meaning a dozen or so .... will eventually become law.

Which raises another question.

Why do we need so many damn bills and/or new laws?

As for Ryan ... I am not promoting him or advocating for anything he
has proposed. I just happened to read some of the details of his
plan and, if you take away all the absolutes, prejudices and purely
biased politics, there are parts of it that make sense. However,
once you apply the manic, party line prejudices to it ... like death
squads and "throwing the elderly out on the street" type BS, there's
really no reason to discuss the subject any further.


He's co-authored two bills. One to name a PO after Les Aspin and the
other to control tax on arrows, as in bow and arrow.

He's a rich boy from a wealthy family who never knew a challenge.
Looks like he's been sitting with his thumb up his ass since he got to
congress. That is until he came up with his cockeyed budget ideas.

X ` Man[_3_] August 14th 12 10:55 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/12 4:50 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.


But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.

Both Romney and Ryan come from privileged upbringings, as is amply
evident in their both having 7.1 channel surround sound tin ears.

If the Dems have a clue, they'll position them as tools of the rich,
with little understanding or regard for people who didn't hit the
sperm/egg jackpot.



I'd like to see some relentless ads from the Dem PACS that hit a lot,
lot harder on Romney's refusal to release more tax returns. He isn't
holding back because he's afraid of disclosing more of his "privacy."
He's holding back because if he releases them, he'll drop like a stone
in the polls and never have a chance to recover.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 14th 12 11:10 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.


What the right wing (and everyone else) will be affected by is the guy's
voting record. TARP, the auto bailouts, etc. Ryan voted for those very
things that the right has been crying about for three years.

Eisboch[_8_] August 14th 12 11:34 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"jps" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order
to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.


But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Let's put aside the "job creators" getting bigger tax breaks for a
moment, as well as the rest of the politically charged paragraphs that
I snipped out.
Let's just talk about the voucher system for a moment, because that is
a serious health care reform proposal .. right or wrong.

You left some minor details that are contained in Ryan's Medicare
reform proposal:

1. Those who are 55 or older will see no change in the system. The
government will continue to pay directly for Medicare covered costs.

2. The federal government will still be very much involved, but it's
role will change. Rather than directly paying for medical costs,
whatever they are, up to a person's Medicare limit, it will become a
broker of approved procedures and costs with oversight responsibility.
This will help control overcharging of hospitals and the doctors
associated with them. As it is now, hospitals and doctors order
costly tests and procedures, many totally unnecessary. We just got a
hospital bill for someone who recently visited an emergency room with
a fractured skull. The CAT scan was obviously necessary but $90
for a Tylenol?

3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.


Boating All Out August 14th 12 11:50 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:32:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .


Perhaps Mitt instisted on Ryan despite the consequences. That
wouldn't be surprising given his willingness to take any position
necessary to please the present audience. It's not like they didn't
know Ryan would be kryptonite for the elderly in Florida.

------------------------------------------------------

I'd save this comment for future reference jps.

Assuming any of Ryan's plans regarding Medicare, Medicaid or Social
Security were ever enacted, none of the elderly in Florida (or
anywhere else for that matter) would be affected at all.

The "elderly" ... and I include myself as a "young" elderly ... can
understand that programs like Medicare and even Social Security have
to be modified from time to time ... as they have been ... in order to
adjust for changing times. Medicare as a program is what, 47 years
old ... yet has been modified many times.


But no modification would leave people out in the cold as much as
Ryan's would. Vouchers would undoubtedly come up short and with
medical care costing what it does, many seniors would be forced into
bankruptcy while Ryan give "job creators" even bigger tax breaks.

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.

Both Romney and Ryan come from privileged upbringings, as is amply
evident in their both having 7.1 channel surround sound tin ears.

If the Dems have a clue, they'll position them as tools of the rich,
with little understanding or regard for people who didn't hit the
sperm/egg jackpot.


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!
Not too hard to understand - not at all.
Only "rich" old people can afford private health insurance premiums.
Even if Ryan got his way, in 15 years the 55 year olds he cut out of
Medicare will be 70. They'll start dropping like flies, unable to
afford even a minor surgery that would give them another 5 years.
So they'll put Medicare back in, or suffer revolution.
The answer to it is to cut costs. Death panels for the old ****ers
whose time has come but don't want to die because they think they should
live forever, fewer limos for the doc and other health industry teat-
suckers who make a living keeping them alive, etc, etc.
Only the rich should be able to extend their lives past the point
they've turned rotten through and through.
Good for them. They've "earned" it.




Boating All Out August 15th 12 12:03 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.


Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?


X ` Man[_3_] August 15th 12 12:08 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/12 6:03 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.


Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?



What? You don't think a voucher system that forces the elderly to deal
with the sharks in the health care insurance biz would be preferable? :)



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Eisboch[_8_] August 15th 12 12:12 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.






Eisboch[_8_] August 15th 12 12:19 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of
the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care
would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.


Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?
-----------------------------------------------------------

I think you misunderstood or I didn't make it clear.
As proposed, the option would exist to opt out of the *voucher* system
and revert back to Medicare as it exists now.


X ` Man[_3_] August 15th 12 01:17 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Eisboch[_8_] August 15th 12 02:08 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore.
It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and
doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private
insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.

-------------------------------
I like that.

My concern is that a totally government run bureaucracy could be much,
much worse. If you haven't noticed they tend to bloat over time.


thumper August 15th 12 04:58 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On 8/14/2012 1:50 PM, jps wrote:

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.


David Stockman had a good editorial on that subject yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html


Tim August 15th 12 06:02 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Aug 14, 7:26*pm, X ` Man

It's too bad we've wasted so much of our national
wealth on military adventurism.


It's too bad we've wasted so much of our national wealth [period]

jps August 15th 12 07:17 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:19:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...


3. Ryan modified his plan to include the ability to "opt" out of
the
whole deal, if that's a person's preference. Their medical care
would
go back to the old Medicare system and method.

So, why is this so bad to even discuss? That's what I don't get.


Haha. You've got to be kidding.
Nobody would "opt out" of Medicare.
It's just bull****. Were you born yesterday?
-----------------------------------------------------------

I think you misunderstood or I didn't make it clear.
As proposed, the option would exist to opt out of the *voucher* system
and revert back to Medicare as it exists now.


Please tell me what upside the prospective medicare recipient would
realize by opting in.

jps August 15th 12 07:23 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:17:27 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.


I'm not sure Switzerland is an appropriate system to cite. Their
economy isn't real, in addition to the funny money stuff that goes on
there, I'm not sure they're not still opening long forgotten safe
deposit boxes of Jews gold fillings to prop up their economy. The
poor are largely subsidized by the state in Switzerland because they
cannot abide people being destitute.

Nice system if you can afford it.

jps August 15th 12 07:33 AM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:58:19 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 8/14/2012 1:50 PM, jps wrote:

Everyone understands the Republican's love of wealth and most
understand trickle down hasn't and won't work. Supply side economics
is bull****.


David Stockman had a good editorial on that subject yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html


It's incredible that Republicans continue to try to beat that dead
horse years after supply side has been debunked as bull**** and
completely ineffective. It was a gimmick that R's loved because it
gave congress an excuse to treat them like saviors of the economy.

After three or four tries and no successes, they're still trying to
hawk that crap. They don't acutally care if it works, they have no
regard for the long term health of the country, they care about next
quarter or next year or their life or their kid's entitled life.

Proponents of this bull**** should be tarred, feathered and run out of
town. Snake oil salesmen, the lot.

BAR[_2_] August 15th 12 01:56 PM

Paul Ryan is the pick...
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:17:27 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/14/12 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


There's a reason for Medicare as it is.
INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T INSURE OLD PEOPLE!

--------------------------------------------------------

Health care reform will require legislation that requires private
insurers to cover the elderly without prejudice.
The government's role won't be to dole out the payments anymore. It
will be to oversee the industry
and establish approved procedures and costs that hospitals and doctors
can order and charge for.






In Switzerland, health insurers are required to offer the same decent
coverage plan to everyone at a fixed price and if they do they are
allowed to offer supplemental programs. The premiums for the decent
coverage are subsidized if the individual cannot afford. Enrollment in
mandatory. That's about the only way to continue with private insurers.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of private insurers...they serve no
useful purpose.


I'm not sure Switzerland is an appropriate system to cite. Their
economy isn't real, in addition to the funny money stuff that goes on
there, I'm not sure they're not still opening long forgotten safe
deposit boxes of Jews gold fillings to prop up their economy. The
poor are largely subsidized by the state in Switzerland because they
cannot abide people being destitute.

Nice system if you can afford it.


We, the citizens of the USA, can't afford our system. It is about to
collapse from the weight of entitlements.




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