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TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. |
TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
On 8/9/2012 2:59 PM, jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. The guy must have **** his pants, as you would have. |
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TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
On Aug 9, 5:15*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: On 8/9/12 6:13 PM, wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:45:47 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/9/2012 2:59 PM, jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. The guy must have **** his pants, as you would have. I wonder how long it was before UPS came looking for that rifle. One assumes the rifle should have been shipped to an FFL holder. "An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn" Wasn't that the origional intent? |
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On Aug 9, 1:59*pm, jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. "But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle." Thank goodness it wasn't an 'assault' weapon! |
TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. |
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TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:24:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 9, 1:59*pm, jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. "But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle." Thank goodness it wasn't an 'assault' weapon! Hmmmm... I've come to the conclusion that weapons in the wrong hands are nearly as deadly as a bible in the wrong hands. Stupid is as stupid does. |
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. |
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On Aug 9, 8:33*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:24:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 9, 1:59*pm, jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. "But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle." Thank goodness it wasn't an 'assault' weapon! Hmmmm... *I've come to the conclusion that weapons in the wrong hands are nearly as deadly as a bible in the wrong hands. Stupid is as stupid does. Then you should speak against the 'wrong hands' |
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:35:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. What would you have the government do, jps, ban all guns? I think the Chinese and North Koreans do that. What is your solution? |
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On 8/9/2012 11:33 PM, Tim wrote:
Hmmmm... I've come to the conclusion that weapons in the wrong hands are nearly as deadly as a bible in the wrong hands. Stupid is as stupid does. Then you should speak against the 'wrong hands' Harru's a perfect example of wrong hands. |
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:33:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 9, 8:33*pm, jps wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:24:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 9, 1:59*pm, jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. "But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle." Thank goodness it wasn't an 'assault' weapon! Hmmmm... *I've come to the conclusion that weapons in the wrong hands are nearly as deadly as a bible in the wrong hands. Stupid is as stupid does. Then you should speak against the 'wrong hands' People are mutable. They change moods, change behavior. They can go from perfectly nice and quiet to insane over a short or long period. There's very little space between right hands and wrong hands in a whole lot of people. You're in favor of promoting the close living arrangements of powder kegs and matches. I'm in favor of keeping the matches at a safe distance from powder kegs. Jarod Loughner referred to himself as a failure because Gabby Giffords survived his shooting her in the head. He's standing trial as sane. |
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jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. |
TV or Sig Sauer? Who cares?
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl
wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. |
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On 8/11/2012 3:55 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. Do you have a motorcycle? |
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On 8/11/2012 4:13 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/11/2012 3:55 PM, jps wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. Do you have a motorcycle? Ha! Always wondered why someone would ride a motorcycle named after an Asian Assassin? For those of you not familiar, it's a Kawasaki Ninja... Stupid cafe racer, but fast as hell... |
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jps wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. Who considers their firearm to be a toy? |
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On Aug 11, 9:24*pm, Earl wrote:
jps wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. *Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. Who considers their firearm to be a toy? not me |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. So what would be your solution to the problem, jps? |
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On 8/12/2012 8:19 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. So what would be your solution to the problem, jps? Being fearful. |
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On Aug 12, 9:19*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl wrote: jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it. Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument? Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things. My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a person on the street. Get a ****ing clue. Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants. Had a gun, Earl. *Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having toys that are designed to be deadly. So what would be your solution to the problem, jps? As a casual observer, I've noticed that an awful lot of ex-military men are involved in those fatal shootings when the shooter is over the age of majority. Maybe a good start would be to ban ex-military from owning firearms. After all, the military spent a couple of years programming them to shoot & kill..... not easily erased when the career is over. |
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On Aug 9, 1:59*pm, jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Wow!! he got a Sig716 chambered in .308 sent right to his door step. Oh, he did the right thing by turning it in. I would have as well, but I would have been very tempted to grab a couple boxes of shells and take it to the rifle range to make sure it was sighted in correctly. After all, there's no need to accept defective merchandise. :) |
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On 8/12/12 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:59 pm, jps wrote: WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault rifle instead. Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he initially thought it contained accessories. But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle. An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred. Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment. Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such high supply you can now get 'em by mistake. Wow!! he got a Sig716 chambered in .308 sent right to his door step. Oh, he did the right thing by turning it in. I would have as well, but I would have been very tempted to grab a couple boxes of shells and take it to the rifle range to make sure it was sighted in correctly. After all, there's no need to accept defective merchandise. :) For $100, you could have found someone to turn it into full auto and then shot up a bowling alley. Well, not you, of course, but there are a couple of posters here who might do that sort of thing. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On 8/14/12 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:01:36 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/14/12 11:59 AM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death in the US) Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it. I hope you don't take them there in your car. Child death in motor vehicle accidents are 30-50 times as likely as a firearm accident. (according to CDC) Oh, please...you are making no sense at all anymore on this issue. JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. You're pointing out nonsense. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On 8/14/2012 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death in the US) Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it. I hope you don't take them there in your car. Child death in motor vehicle accidents are 30-50 times as likely as a firearm accident. (according to CDC) That's what gets me about progressives. They can't see anybody having needs or ever rights that stretch beyond what they find necessary for their own personal existence... I know a person in DC that's always espousing the bad points of owning an automobile. As if they don't understand that I don't live where everything I need in life is within walking distance. Oh yeah, almost forgot... When they do need a car, they just put the plastic in a machine and drive off with a rental called a zip-car... LOL! I guess it's ok to use a car that is used almost 24 7, as long as you don't own it:) |
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On 8/14/2012 11:59 AM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death in the US) Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it. I hope you don't take them there in your car. Child death in motor vehicle accidents are 30-50 times as likely as a firearm accident. (according to CDC) That's what gets me about progressives. They can't see anybody having needs or ever rights that stretch beyond what they find necessary for their own personal existence... I know a person in DC that's always espousing the bad points of owning an automobile. As if they don't understand that I don't live where everything I need in life is within walking distance. Oh yeah, almost forgot... When they do need a car, they just put the plastic in a machine and drive off with a rental called a zip-car... LOL! I guess it's ok to use a car that is used almost 24 7, as long as you don't own it:) Well, what you fail to realize because FOX hasn't told you this, is that zip cars actually get more cars OFF of the road. Now go smoke some cigarettes, they're okay too. |
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On 8/14/12 1:24 PM, JustWait wrote:
That's what gets me about progressives. They can't see anybody having needs or ever rights that stretch beyond what they find necessary for their own personal existence... I know a person in DC that's always espousing the bad points of owning an automobile. As if they don't understand that I don't live where everything I need in life is within walking distance. Oh yeah, almost forgot... When they do need a car, they just put the plastic in a machine and drive off with a rental called a zip-car... LOL! I guess it's ok to use a car that is used almost 24 7, as long as you don't own it:) A. You have no idea what a "progressive" is. It's just a phrase you've been spoon-fed to mean someone or something "evil." Virtually everything in society that provides you and your family with a better life is a result of what "progressives" have done for you. B. Individuals who are progressives have widely varying viewpoints and your view of how they view the needs and rights of others is just your usual mound of befuddled dog****. C. Zip Cars are popular among those whose need for a car is minimal or infrequent. Almost every post of yours reveals your ignorance and stupidity. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:01:36 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/14/12 11:59 AM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote: Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as my children. I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death in the US) Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it. I hope you don't take them there in your car. Child death in motor vehicle accidents are 30-50 times as likely as a firearm accident. (according to CDC) Oh, please...you are making no sense at all anymore on this issue. JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:44 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:05:47 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote: JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. You are confusing relative danger with frequency of use. In fact if your gun really was locked up it would be far less dangerous than a car you use every day. If you got rid of your gun because you knew you would never use it, that is the perfect reason, just don't start waving the safety flag. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). |
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says... On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:05:47 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote: JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. You are confusing relative danger with frequency of use. In fact if your gun really was locked up it would be far less dangerous than a car you use every day. If you got rid of your gun because you knew you would never use it, that is the perfect reason, just don't start waving the safety flag. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). You trust strangers not to kill you every day. Each time you drive on an undivided roadway. |
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On Aug 14, 5:30*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:55:00 -0700, jps wrote: I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). So this is just about hating guns, it is not really about what kills the most people. OK. I have a skeet gun that was designed to break clay targets and 3 target guns that are specifically designed to poke holes in paper. I guess you are OK with them? I will assume killing animals is as bad as killing people in your mind so I won't talk about the ones I have that were designed for hunting. At this point my guns are mostly an investment. The more they restrict sales the better it is for me. The open question is whether you really want to drive the sale of a couple hundred million guns into the black market by making them "illegal" *to sell openly Hey Greg. Speaking of rifles designed to poke holes through a paper target. my cousin has our great-grandfathers Belgium made "Flaubert" (Flobert) .22 rifle. It takes a single .22 'CB cap' round. - a .22 short only shorter by about half. So short there's hardly a grain of powder in them. I actually think that the rim-fired priming is actually the propellant for the bullet. While the British were throwing darts in their pubs. The other Europeans had shooting galleries in their taverns. The cartridge is so weak a pump .177 pellet rifle would just about put it to shame. They used to use these in carnival galleries as well. (after they bent the sights, of course!) |
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says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:05:47 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote: JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. You are confusing relative danger with frequency of use. In fact if your gun really was locked up it would be far less dangerous than a car you use every day. If you got rid of your gun because you knew you would never use it, that is the perfect reason, just don't start waving the safety flag. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). You trust strangers not to kill you every day. Each time you drive on an undivided roadway. The point you don't understand or comprehend is that guns are made to KILL. Cars are not. As a matter of fact there are a lot of safety devices in a car that are there just to protect you from being killed. |
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On 8/15/2012 8:44 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:05:47 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote: JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. You are confusing relative danger with frequency of use. In fact if your gun really was locked up it would be far less dangerous than a car you use every day. If you got rid of your gun because you knew you would never use it, that is the perfect reason, just don't start waving the safety flag. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). You trust strangers not to kill you every day. Each time you drive on an undivided roadway. The point you don't understand or comprehend is that guns are made to KILL. Cars are not. As a matter of fact there are a lot of safety devices in a car that are there just to protect you from being killed. Harry has shot off thousands of bullets From umpteen guns. AFAIK he hasn't managed to kill anything. Are his guns all defective? |
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says... On 8/15/2012 8:44 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:05:47 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400, wrote: JP is the one who said her got rid of his gun because it was a perceived hazard to his kids. I am simply pointing out where the real accident hazards are. (and the leading cause of deaths are accidents) From 1-4 the biggest hazard is drowning. From 5-24 it is motor vehicle accidents in every 5 year cohort by a long shot. 25-34 it is "poisoning" which I assume is CDC speak for drug overdose. Yikes. We use a car every single day. In fact, several times a day. We don't use it to blast holes in things, we use it to get from one location to another. You are confusing relative danger with frequency of use. In fact if your gun really was locked up it would be far less dangerous than a car you use every day. If you got rid of your gun because you knew you would never use it, that is the perfect reason, just don't start waving the safety flag. A gun would be locked away someplace safe and rarely, if ever brought out. The hazard is in someone getting a hold of the combination or the safe itself. You might have noticed that kids can be clever, ingenious and incredibly stupid. Thieves don't care if a gun is dangerous, they're going to steal it if available. How you can equate the two is beyond foolish - a tool of the simple minded who do not understand corollation doesn't equal causation. I don't think that's you but you're willing to use this lazy simplemindedness in lieu of an actual argument. I am simply looking at what kills kids (according to CDC) and that seemed to be what you were arguing. If you don't want a pool, don't build one. If you don't want gun, don't own one. For that matter there are plenty of big city people who choose not to own a car. I am not making you do any of them but some of us do want these things and we take the responsibility to own them safely, as the vast majority of gun owners do. There are plenty of people driving who shouldn't and plenty of people owning guns who shouldn't. Guns are designed to kill things, cars are designed to transport people and dogs (sometimes on the rooftop). You trust strangers not to kill you every day. Each time you drive on an undivided roadway. The point you don't understand or comprehend is that guns are made to KILL. Cars are not. As a matter of fact there are a lot of safety devices in a car that are there just to protect you from being killed. Harry has shot off thousands of bullets From umpteen guns. AFAIK he hasn't managed to kill anything. Are his guns all defective? WHOOOOSH....... |
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