On Aug 15, 11:42*am, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:02:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Aug 14, 5:30*pm, wrote:

Hey Greg. Speaking of rifles designed to poke holes through a paper
target.

my cousin has our great-grandfathers *Belgium made
"Flaubert" (Flobert) .22 rifle. It takes a single .22 'CB cap' round. -
a .22 short only shorter by about half. So short there's hardly a
grain of powder in them. I actually think that the rim-fired priming
is actually the propellant for the bullet.

While the British were throwing darts in their pubs. The other
Europeans had shooting galleries in their taverns. *The cartridge is
so weak a pump .177 pellet rifle would just about put it *to shame.

They used to use these in carnival galleries as well. (after they bent
the sights, of course!)

CB cap or BB cap?

..22 "cb"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 15, 11:42*am, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:02:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Aug 14, 5:30*pm, wrote:

Hey Greg. Speaking of rifles designed to poke holes through a paper
target.

my cousin has our great-grandfathers *Belgium made
"Flaubert" (Flobert) .22 rifle. It takes a single .22 'CB cap' round. -
a .22 short only shorter by about half. So short there's hardly a
grain of powder in them. I actually think that the rim-fired priming
is actually the propellant for the bullet.

While the British were throwing darts in their pubs. The other
Europeans had shooting galleries in their taverns. *The cartridge is
so weak a pump .177 pellet rifle would just about put it *to shame.

They used to use these in carnival galleries as well. (after they bent
the sights, of course!)

CB cap or BB cap?

.22 "cb"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB

===

Does it have enough oomph to cycle a semi-auto?

On Aug 15, 7:40*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Aug 15, 11:42*am, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:02:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 14, 5:30*pm, wrote:

Hey Greg. Speaking of rifles designed to poke holes through a paper
target.

my cousin has our great-grandfathers *Belgium made
"Flaubert" (Flobert) .22 rifle. It takes a single .22 'CB cap' round. -
a .22 short only shorter by about half. So short there's hardly a
grain of powder in them. I actually think that the rim-fired priming
is actually the propellant for the bullet.

While the British were throwing darts in their pubs. The other
Europeans had shooting galleries in their taverns. *The cartridge is
so weak a pump .177 pellet rifle would just about put it *to shame.

They used to use these in carnival galleries as well. (after they bent
the sights, of course!)

CB cap or BB cap?

.22 "cb"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB

===

Does it have enough oomph to cycle a semi-auto?

I really doubt it Wayne. The only guns I've seen to take the cartridge
were a bolt action or a 'trap door' My Great Grandpa's was the latter.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:49:25 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:

On Aug 12, 9:19*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:30 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV
through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault
rifle instead.

Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch
television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on
Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he
initially thought it contained accessories.

But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He
says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle.

An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms
dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun
and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred.

Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment.

Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such
high supply you can now get 'em by mistake.
Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it.
Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument?

Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things.

My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a
person on the street.

Get a ****ing clue.
Guns are used for target shooting, hunting, and also competition. There
is also home defense but it's obvious that makes you **** your pants.

Had a gun, Earl. *Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as
my children.

I enjoy fine machinery as much as anyone, just concerned about having
toys that are designed to be deadly.

So what would be your solution to the problem, jps?

As a casual observer, I've noticed that an awful lot of ex-military
men are involved in those fatal shootings when the shooter is over the
age of majority.
Maybe a good start would be to ban ex-military from owning firearms.
After all, the military spent a couple of years programming them to
shoot & kill..... not easily erased when the career is over.

A much higher percent were not ex-military. Would you ban their weapons also? Do you suppose jps
would approve of that as the solution? Just wonderin'.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote:



Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as
my children.

I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death
in the US)

Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play
soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it.

So just what *is* your solution, jps? Surely you're not afraid to suggest it. And, it's for damn
sure that whining on rec.boats doesn't help solve your problem.

On 8/21/12 12:19 PM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:19:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:55:31 -0700, jps wrote:



Had a gun, Earl. Decided I didn't want it around in the same house as
my children.

I hope you also filled in your pool. (the leading cause of child death
in the US)

Greg, a pool in the Pacific NW doesn't make much sense. My kids play
soccer, I have the medical bills to prove it.

So just what *is* your solution, jps? Surely you're not afraid to suggest it. And, it's for damn
sure that whining on rec.boats doesn't help solve your problem.



Isn't there some trip you can take with your camper? A nice long trip.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:28:30 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:35:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV
through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault
rifle instead.

Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch
television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on
Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he
initially thought it contained accessories.

But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He
says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle.

An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms
dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun
and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred.

Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment.

Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such
high supply you can now get 'em by mistake.

Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it.

Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument?

Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things.

My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a
person on the street.

Get a ****ing clue.

What would you have the government do, jps, ban all guns? I think the Chinese and North Koreans do
that.

What is your solution?

I've not seen an answer to this, jps. Have I missed something?

Also, I'm considering a SIG SAUER as shown below:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

This would allow for cheap target practice, but can be converted to a .40 S&W or 9mm with a
conversion kit.

What do you think?

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:28:30 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:35:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
WASHINGTON ? A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV
through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault
rifle instead.

Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch
television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on
Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he
initially thought it contained accessories.

But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He
says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle.

An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms
dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun
and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred.

Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment.

Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such
high supply you can now get 'em by mistake.

Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it.

Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument?

Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things.

My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a
person on the street.

Get a ****ing clue.

What would you have the government do, jps, ban all guns? I think the Chinese and North Koreans do
that.

What is your solution?

I've not seen an answer to this, jps. Have I missed something?

Also, I'm considering a SIG SAUER as shown below:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

This would allow for cheap target practice, but can be converted to a .40 S&W or 9mm with a
conversion kit.

What do you think?

I think stupid ignorant racists like you shouldn't own guns.

On 9/4/2012 12:44 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:28:30 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:35:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
WASHINGTON — A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV
through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault
rifle instead.

Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch
television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on
Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he
initially thought it contained accessories.

But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He
says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle.

An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms
dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun
and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred.

Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment.

Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such
high supply you can now get 'em by mistake.

Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it.

Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument?

Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things.

My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a
person on the street.

Get a ****ing clue.

What would you have the government do, jps, ban all guns? I think the Chinese and North Koreans do
that.

What is your solution?

I've not seen an answer to this, jps. Have I missed something?

Also, I'm considering a SIG SAUER as shown below:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

This would allow for cheap target practice, but can be converted to a .40 S&W or 9mm with a
conversion kit.

What do you think?


He flat refuses to address the question concerning a solution, as he
doesn't have one. That should put any further consideration of his
whining, finished business.

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:59:58 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:28:30 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:35:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:39:20 -0400, Earl
wrote:

jps wrote:
WASHINGTON ? A Washington, D.C., musician who ordered a flat-screen TV
through Amazon.com was shocked to receive a semiautomatic assault
rifle instead.

Thirty-eight-year-old Seth Horvitz says he purchased the 39-inch
television from a third-party seller. A box arrived from UPS on
Tuesday evening, and it seemed too small to contain the TV. He says he
initially thought it contained accessories.

But when he opened it, he found a Sig Sauer military-style rifle. He
says he had never held a gun before he felt the trigger of the rifle.

An invoice showed that the gun was intended for delivery to a firearms
dealer in Duncansville, Penn. Horvitz called police, who took the gun
and are investigating how the mistaken shipment occurred.

Amazon.com and United Parcel Service had no immediate comment.

Not only is it butt easy to get these deadly weapons, they're in such
high supply you can now get 'em by mistake.

Your car is a deadly weapon. Get over it.

Why do people with any sort of brain continue to make this argument?

Cars aren't designed to be used to kill things.

My kid isn't learning to drive by hitting within the outline of a
person on the street.

Get a ****ing clue.

What would you have the government do, jps, ban all guns? I think the Chinese and North Koreans do
that.

What is your solution?

I've not seen an answer to this, jps. Have I missed something?

Also, I'm considering a SIG SAUER as shown below:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

This would allow for cheap target practice, but can be converted to a .40 S&W or 9mm with a
conversion kit.

What do you think?

I think stupid ignorant racists like you shouldn't own guns.

Kevin. Name-calling doesn't become you. That is a tactic espoused by Harry.

What do you think of the SIG SAUER P226?