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On Saturday, August 4, 2012 3:26:04 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
....gotta love it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtZ5r0CIYI Great ad. very good! |
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On 8/7/12 8:37 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2012 3:26:04 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: ....gotta love it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtZ5r0CIYI Great ad. very good! We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:37:27 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2012 3:26:04 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: ....gotta love it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtZ5r0CIYI Great ad. very good! BTW, my cousin has two sons currently serving in the US Navy. I'm proud of them! |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. |
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On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. -- Romneyism - The "Bain" of Our Existence |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:23:23 AM UTC-4, x'man wrote:
wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. No, you are carrying out the constitutional requirement to provide for the defense of our country. When you take over 300 billion dollars (half of the military budget) and use it to make refrigerators and lawnmowers (what you proposed), you are socializing industry. |
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says... On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:14:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. Eisenhower tried to warn us about the dangers of the military industrial complex in the 50s but JFK started the arms race as soon as he got in power and it went from there. The "missile gap" was his big lie. It was the first WMD scare that wasn't true. JFK knew it wasn't true at his first national security briefing but we still kept building more weapons. Wow, so JFK and Bush have something in common! |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:51:01 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:14:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. Eisenhower tried to warn us about the dangers of the military industrial complex in the 50s but JFK started the arms race as soon as he got in power and it went from there. The "missile gap" was his big lie. It was the first WMD scare that wasn't true. JFK knew it wasn't true at his first national security briefing but we still kept building more weapons. Wow, so JFK and Bush have something in common! Not just Bush. Remember these words? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc It was an epidemic in DC. |
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says... On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:51:01 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:14:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. Eisenhower tried to warn us about the dangers of the military industrial complex in the 50s but JFK started the arms race as soon as he got in power and it went from there. The "missile gap" was his big lie. It was the first WMD scare that wasn't true. JFK knew it wasn't true at his first national security briefing but we still kept building more weapons. Wow, so JFK and Bush have something in common! Not just Bush. Remember these words? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc It was an epidemic in DC. None of those were POTUS. |
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On 8/8/12 9:38 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:23:23 AM UTC-4, x'man wrote: wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. No, you are carrying out the constitutional requirement to provide for the defense of our country. When you take over 300 billion dollars (half of the military budget) and use it to make refrigerators and lawnmowers (what you proposed), you are socializing industry. There's nothing in the Constitution that specifies how much must be spent on the military. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:37:25 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:51:01 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:14:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. Eisenhower tried to warn us about the dangers of the military industrial complex in the 50s but JFK started the arms race as soon as he got in power and it went from there. The "missile gap" was his big lie. It was the first WMD scare that wasn't true. JFK knew it wasn't true at his first national security briefing but we still kept building more weapons. Wow, so JFK and Bush have something in common! Not just Bush. Remember these words? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc It was an epidemic in DC. None of those were POTUS. The second person on the video was Clinton. He was POTUS, remember? |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:39:19 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/8/12 9:38 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:23:23 AM UTC-4, x'man wrote: wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. No, you are carrying out the constitutional requirement to provide for the defense of our country. When you take over 300 billion dollars (half of the military budget) and use it to make refrigerators and lawnmowers (what you proposed), you are socializing industry. There's nothing in the Constitution that specifies how much must be spent on the military. There's also nothing in the Constitution authorizing socialization of US industry. |
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On 8/8/12 10:49 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:39:19 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 9:38 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:23:23 AM UTC-4, x'man wrote: wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. No, you are carrying out the constitutional requirement to provide for the defense of our country. When you take over 300 billion dollars (half of the military budget) and use it to make refrigerators and lawnmowers (what you proposed), you are socializing industry. There's nothing in the Constitution that specifies how much must be spent on the military. There's also nothing in the Constitution authorizing socialization of US industry. No one is suggesting that. The conclusion you reached is a figment of your imagination. Were you edu-ma-cated in South Carolina? -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:02:09 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/8/12 10:49 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:39:19 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 9:38 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:23:23 AM UTC-4, x'man wrote: wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:33:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 7:28 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:14:23 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 8/8/12 12:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:47:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: We should have cut military expenditures by 50 percent a dozen years ago, and kept on cutting. What a colossal waste of national resources. The real problem is that is probably the biggest single jobs program. I was just in Southern Md and the Navy points out that if they closed Pax River the whole economy down there would dry up and blow away. You are certainly not supporting that area with a few crab shacks and fishing charters. The CO even thought of paying everyone on the base with $2 bills for a month so everyone else would understand where the money they have, comes from. You hear the same thing everywhere there is a military base. You also have all if the defense contractors, that are fairly evenly spread across the whole country. There are very few congressmen who want to lose a widget factory in their district. It is the kind of Keynesian socialism lefties like you usually support. DoD is a drug that the whole country is addicted to. As I stated, we should have started cutting the military drastically at least a dozen years ago, and turned our attention towards rebuilding our industries and infrastructure, instead of pouring it down the toilet of military expenditures. Those military hardware factories could be turning out components for high speed rail lines or lawnmowers or refrigerators. So we should have socialized our industries, and should be turning out high-priced goods nobody would buy. Yeah, that's the ticket. You need to stick to things you know, like writing fiction. You really need to move out of Stupidville, South Carolina. Nowhere did I say we should have "socialized our industries." Go back and read what you wrote. When you take federal funds from the military and put it into factories that make common household goods, you are socializing industry. That's exactly what you proposed. Maybe that's why you are a liberal. You don't seem to understand what they are all about, or even what you write. When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. No, you are carrying out the constitutional requirement to provide for the defense of our country. When you take over 300 billion dollars (half of the military budget) and use it to make refrigerators and lawnmowers (what you proposed), you are socializing industry. There's nothing in the Constitution that specifies how much must be spent on the military. There's also nothing in the Constitution authorizing socialization of US industry. No one is suggesting that. The conclusion you reached is a figment of your imagination. Were you edu-ma-cated in South Carolina? Gotta attack the person when losing, Harry? WATOABH! |
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:31:26 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
On 8 Aug 2012 13:23:23 GMT, x'man wrote: When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. The difference is you can talk the American public into buying a new fighter jet we don't need but they won't buy a refrigerator they don't need. It doesn't make any sense to me either. In the sales business they say there are only 2 emotions, love and fear. Fear is easier to sell. Defense is selling based on fear, You can say the same thing about the trillion dollar "terrorism" boondoggle. To be clear, I'm not against trimming the defense budget. I am against socializing US industry. Those evil military contractors build the world's best military equipment. If the government opened their own fighter jet factory (or refrigerator factory), we'd have jets and refrigerators that costs twice as much as current ones do and would only work half the time. Think Yugo. |
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On 8/8/12 7:36 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 8 Aug 2012 13:23:23 GMT, x'man wrote: When you spend federal funds on military hardware you are socializing defense contractors. The difference is you can talk the American public into buying a new fighter jet we don't need but they won't buy a refrigerator they don't need. It doesn't make any sense to me either. In the sales business they say there are only 2 emotions, love and fear. Fear is easier to sell. Defense is selling based on fear, You can say the same thing about the trillion dollar "terrorism" boondoggle. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Gosh. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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says... On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:18:58 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 8:35 PM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:56:06 -0400, BAR wrote: Entitlements should be terminated immediately. Young guy ;-) Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. |
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On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:18:58 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 8:35 PM, wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:56:06 -0400, BAR wrote: Entitlements should be terminated immediately. Young guy ;-) Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. |
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On 8/10/12 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? Through several quirks of fate, I have very little of my retirement income or assets in the "market." The defined benefit pension I have from my nearly 40 years of union membership *is* decent and is at least partially invested in the market, but the pension fund has diverse holdings, and the last time I looked was worth substantially more than it was during the Bush crash. I used to be a pension fund director and when I was I kept a close watch because of my fiduciary liability, but I (gladly) gave up that office when my last elected term was coming to a close. The fund needed young blood. The fund's rules do not permit unfunded liabilities, not even a dollar's worth. I have a decent amount of cash at interest and in money market funds, and I am a one-third partner in a nice, fully leased out strip shopping mall in Connecticut. My two partners are two years older than I am, and we are planning to sell the mall at some point in the not too distant future. We all have adult children and young grandchildren, and all of us are planning to leave most of what we have to them after our needs and the needs of our spouses are met. I'm "maxed" in the Social Security benefit. When the financial system crashes, I'll probably be under ground. Until then, I have the liquidity to survive and when we sell the mall, I'll figure out the best way to keep my share of the resulting cash safe. I don't trust Wall Street. Not any of it. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On 8/10/12 1:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. I treat people how they deserve to be treated, little ****. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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On 8/10/2012 1:16 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 1:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. I treat people how they deserve to be treated, little ****. So do we. Asshole. |
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On 8/10/2012 1:09 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? Through several quirks of fate, I have very little of my retirement income or assets in the "market." The defined benefit pension I have from my nearly 40 years of union membership *is* decent and is at least partially invested in the market, but the pension fund has diverse holdings, and the last time I looked was worth substantially more than it was during the Bush crash. I used to be a pension fund director and when I was I kept a close watch because of my fiduciary liability, but I (gladly) gave up that office when my last elected term was coming to a close. The fund needed young blood. The fund's rules do not permit unfunded liabilities, not even a dollar's worth. I have a decent amount of cash at interest and in money market funds, and I am a one-third partner in a nice, fully leased out strip shopping mall in Connecticut. My two partners are two years older than I am, and we are planning to sell the mall at some point in the not too distant future. We all have adult children and young grandchildren, and all of us are planning to leave most of what we have to them after our needs and the needs of our spouses are met. I'm "maxed" in the Social Security benefit. When the financial system crashes, I'll probably be under ground. Until then, I have the liquidity to survive and when we sell the mall, I'll figure out the best way to keep my share of the resulting cash safe. I don't trust Wall Street. Not any of it. Why not stretch a condom over your head and end it now before you become a burden on society. Your kids would be overjoyed and your "wife" would be relieved. No more worries about your crumbling bones or forgetting to breathe while you sleep. |
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says... On 8/10/12 1:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. I treat people how they deserve to be treated, little ****. You must be one fat pig to go around calling people "little" when you know nothing of their stature. |
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On 8/10/12 1:39 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 8/10/12 1:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. I treat people how they deserve to be treated, little ****. You must be one fat pig to go around calling people "little" when you know nothing of their stature. I know you aren't very bright; the "little" doesn't refer to your height. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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In article m,
says... On 8/10/2012 1:09 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 12:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? Through several quirks of fate, I have very little of my retirement income or assets in the "market." The defined benefit pension I have from my nearly 40 years of union membership *is* decent and is at least partially invested in the market, but the pension fund has diverse holdings, and the last time I looked was worth substantially more than it was during the Bush crash. I used to be a pension fund director and when I was I kept a close watch because of my fiduciary liability, but I (gladly) gave up that office when my last elected term was coming to a close. The fund needed young blood. The fund's rules do not permit unfunded liabilities, not even a dollar's worth. I have a decent amount of cash at interest and in money market funds, and I am a one-third partner in a nice, fully leased out strip shopping mall in Connecticut. My two partners are two years older than I am, and we are planning to sell the mall at some point in the not too distant future. We all have adult children and young grandchildren, and all of us are planning to leave most of what we have to them after our needs and the needs of our spouses are met. I'm "maxed" in the Social Security benefit. When the financial system crashes, I'll probably be under ground. Until then, I have the liquidity to survive and when we sell the mall, I'll figure out the best way to keep my share of the resulting cash safe. I don't trust Wall Street. Not any of it. Why not stretch a condom over your head and end it now before you become a burden on society. Your kids would be overjoyed and your "wife" would be relieved. No more worries about your crumbling bones or forgetting to breathe while you sleep. He can't forget, he's got a machine to breath for him! |
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says... On 8/10/12 1:39 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/12 1:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the hope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? What amazes me is that Harry out of one side of his mouth acts like he is for the little man, the working class if it were. Then on the other side, he constantly insults those who ARE the working class. I treat people how they deserve to be treated, little ****. You must be one fat pig to go around calling people "little" when you know nothing of their stature. I know you aren't very bright; the "little" doesn't refer to your height. spin, spin, spin..... |
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:09:03 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:15 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:12 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... Simple minded guy. Get used to it. Lots of Gen X and millennial will be saying this when the cost of those entitlements start showing up on their W-2 I am 51 and I have planned my retirement to not expect any government handouts. There's always the h ope you'll be wiped out by more shenanigans on Wall Street. Then you can start a new career as a Wal-Mart greeter, thus proving the validity of the Peter Principle. Harry, What's your plan, when the financial system crashes? I bet your union pension is invested in Wall Street too. Where are your personal investments? Through several quirks of fate, I have very little of my retirement income or assets in the "market." The defined benefit pension I have from my nearly 40 years of union membership *is* decent and is at least partially invested in the market, but the pension fund has diverse holdings, and the last time I looked was worth substantially more than it was during the Bush crash. I used to be a pension fund director and when I was I kept a close watch because of my fiduciary liability, but I (gladly) gave up that office when my last elected term was coming to a close. The fund needed young blood. The fund's rules do not permit unfunded liabilities, not even a dollar's worth. I have a decent amount of cash at interest and in money market funds, and I am a one-third partner in a nice, fully leased out strip shopping mall in Connecticut. My two partners are two years older than I am, and we are planning to sell the mall at some point in the not too distant future. We all have adult children and young grandchildren, and all of us are planning to leave most of what we have to them after our needs and the needs of our spouses are met. I'm "maxed" in the Social Security benefit. When the financial system crashes, I'll probably be under ground. Until then, I have the liquidity to survive and when we sell the mall, I'll figure out the best way to keep my share of the resulting cash safe. I don't trust Wall Street. Not any of it. "Self praise sucks," said he. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message m... I don't trust Wall Street. Not any of it. ---------------------------------------------------------- This may sound harsh, but there was a time when Wall Street was only for those who could afford to lose their investments. When programs like 401K plans came along and suddenly everyone had the opportunity to invest, the **** hit the fan. Instead of calculated risk investments, they became "retirement plans". I have never, ever considered Wall Street investments, either privately invested or via a 401K type plan ... a retirement fund or plan. In fact, I have never participated in a 401K plan period, even when I had a company that offered one with company contributions. |
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