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Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
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On 7/25/2012 6:10 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? No, not that smart, just good at math... At least I'm good enough at things to keep myself employed. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article ,
says... In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? What on earth made you think that? I hope you're not getting delusionally insane like Scotty! |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article ,
says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:27:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:15:49 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: You said that a person's statements are hearsay. Isn't Zimmerman a person? I never said that, either. I *did* say that the article you referenced was full of hearsay and conjecture, both of which are true. Clue: Look up "hearsay". Only some of a person's statements are hearsay. Hearsay is repeating something you heard a 3d party say. Like Martin's girlfriend says she heard Martin say "yada yada" Oh, so any of the so called "witnesses" that said they heard Zimmerman screaming, heard thuds, etc. is all hearsay? Thanks! If they actually saw it, that is direct testimony. Of course, notice I said the witnesses that said the HEARD Zimmerman screaming..... |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
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Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. Really? Are you serious that no evidence can be brought in after the trial has begun? Really?? It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. Really? Are you serious that no evidence can be brought in after the trial has begun? Really?? It is unusual Bull****! Typically, in a criminal trial, all the hard evidence and all the witness examinations are made available by both sides to the other side so that the lawyers can prepare their questions and bring in rebuttal witnesses. While it is possible to introduce evidence previously unknown at a trial, it is not easy to do so because the defense will object and the judge probably will grant the objection. Of course, while questioning witnesses on the stand, new information might be forthcoming. If it conflicts with previous sworn statements of a witness, that information can be challenged. If you think otherwise, iLoogy, you've watched too much courtroom drama on TV. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/12 9:17 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. Whatever it was, it was higher up on the occupational ladder than you ever got. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article m,
says... On 7/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. Really? Are you serious that no evidence can be brought in after the trial has begun? Really?? It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article , says...
On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. Neither, stupid. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/2012 9:17 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. Even the dumbest of law clerks is more lawyer-esque than He/She/It. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/2012 9:49 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/26/2012 9:17 AM, JustWait wrote: On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. Even the dumbest of law clerks is more lawyer-esque than He/She/It. Doesn't take much to run AutoCad all day while surfing the net... |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:38:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
Of course, notice I said the witnesses that said the HEARD Zimmerman screaming..... That's still direct testimony of what they heard. It's not hearsay. If a person testified that someone else had told them they heard the screams, that's hearsay, if trying to prove the screaming actually happened. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/12 9:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
Even the dumbest of law clerks is more lawyer-esque than He/She/It. A mound of cat poop in a litter box is smarter than you are. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On 7/26/2012 9:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m, says... On 7/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. Really? Are you serious that no evidence can be brought in after the trial has begun? Really?? It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html Your cites seem to backup Greg's claim Sorry dude. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
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Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article om,
says... On 7/26/2012 9:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. Really? Are you serious that no evidence can be brought in after the trial has begun? Really?? It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html Your cites seem to backup Greg's claim Sorry dude. Absolutely not! Apparently you can't read! "Exhibits are anything other than testimony that can be perceived by the senses and presented at the trial or hearing. Exhibits include: ? Real evidence ? tangible objects such as clothes, weapons, tools ? Demonstrative evidence ? evidence that represents or illustrates the real thing such as photos, videos, diagrams, maps, charts ? Records ? government or business writings, hospital records, police reports, payment records ? Writings ? evidence other than records that are in writing such as letters, receipts, contracts, promissory notes" |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article , says...
On 7/26/2012 9:49 AM, Meyer wrote: On 7/26/2012 9:17 AM, JustWait wrote: On 7/26/2012 7:17 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:20 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:17:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... You've not seen all of the physical evidence yet. No one has. We have seen most, if not all of it. Florida is a sunshine state and when it was "discovered" by the defense, it was public information. If the prosecution is withholding evidence, Zimmerman walks and Corey probably gets disbarred. But what you don't understand is that lots of evidence isn't "discovered" until trial. That is not true at all, you have been watching too much TV. The prosecution will not start a trial thinking they will get something in direct testimony that they don't already have. For the most part, they will shoot their whole wad at the grand jury. In this case, they will need everything they can come up with to survive the immunity hearing where this whole witch hunt may end. I thought iBoater was a lawyer? I never even believed Plume was a lawyer Engineer... or draftsman maybe.. Even the dumbest of law clerks is more lawyer-esque than He/She/It. Doesn't take much to run AutoCad all day while surfing the net... WTF are you talking about, you babbling fool? |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
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Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:34:34 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article >, says... > > On Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:38:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: > > > > > Of course, notice I said the witnesses that said the HEARD Zimmerman > > screaming..... > > That's still direct testimony of what they heard. It's not hearsay. If a person testified that someone else had told them they heard the screams, that's hearsay, if trying to prove the screaming actually happened. Oh, so if someone states that they heard something, it's not hearsay? Good! So the girlfriend's interview answers aren't hearsay! That's what I've been saying all along. Uh, no. She can testify to the fact that she talked to him, and to what she heard over the phone, but not to what he *saw*, since she didn't see it herself. IOW, she can't say who walked up to whom, or who threw the first punch, etc. Anything she tries like that would be considered hearsay and inadmissable in court. And, the interviews don't have the same "rules" as courtroom testimony, so she won't be allowed to guess at what was going on like she did in the interviews. Got this stuff clear in your head yet? |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article ,
says... On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:34:34 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article >, says... > > On Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:38:46 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: > > > > > Of course, notice I said the witnesses that said the HEARD Zimmerman > > screaming..... > > That's still direct testimony of what they heard. It's not hearsay. If a person testified that someone else had told them they heard the screams, that's hearsay, if trying to prove the screaming actually happened. Oh, so if someone states that they heard something, it's not hearsay? Good! So the girlfriend's interview answers aren't hearsay! That's what I've been saying all along. Uh, no. She can testify to the fact that she talked to him, and to what she heard over the phone, but not to what he *saw*, since she didn't see it herself. IOW, she can't say who walked up to whom, or who threw the first punch, etc. Anything she tries like that would be considered hearsay and inadmissable in court. And, the interviews don't have the same "rules" as courtroom testimony, so she won't be allowed to guess at what was going on like she did in the interviews. Got this stuff clear in your head yet? Holy ****! First you say that it's hearsay if there's no physical evidence, then you say it's hearsay only if it's first person, then you say that not hearsay because she didn't *SEE* anything!!!! |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:48:04 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article >, says... Uh, no. She can testify to the fact that she talked to him, and to what she heard over the phone, but not to what he *saw*, since she didn't see it herself. IOW, she can't say who walked up to whom, or who threw the first punch, etc. Anything she tries like that would be considered hearsay and inadmissable in court. And, the interviews don't have the same "rules" as courtroom testimony, so she won't be allowed to guess at what was going on like she did in the interviews. Got this stuff clear in your head yet? Holy ****! First you say that it's hearsay if there's no physical evidence, Holy **** is right! I never said that. then you say it's hearsay only if it's first person, Never said that either. It has to be first person to NOT be hearsay. You can't repeat what someone else told you they saw. then you say that not hearsay because she didn't *SEE* anything!!!! Wow. Never said that, but did say it *was* hearsay for her to testify about things she didn't see firsthand. You are either intentionally acting retarded, or you are. Have a nice day. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article ,
says... On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html Do you actually read the links you post? The first one was not even a US court, the second one tells you how yo introduce evidence in the preliminary hearing (way before the trial) and he 3d is talking about a new trial. Nope, not a new trial. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On Friday, July 27, 2012 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:49:12 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html Do you actually read the links you post? The first one was not even a US court, the second one tells you how yo introduce evidence in the preliminary hearing (way before the trial) and he 3d is talking about a new trial. Nope, not a new trial. The words "new trial" are even in the URL. It's become apparent that he has a reading comprehension issue. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
In article ,
says... On Friday, July 27, 2012 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:49:12 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: It is unusual Bull****! cite ;-) Sure thing! http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/jihr/v8/n1/4/ http://www.benchmarkinstitute.org/t_...ntroducing.htm http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-...w-trial-newly- discovered-evidence.html Do you actually read the links you post? The first one was not even a US court, the second one tells you how yo introduce evidence in the preliminary hearing (way before the trial) and he 3d is talking about a new trial. Nope, not a new trial. The words "new trial" are even in the URL. It's become apparent that he has a reading comprehension issue. It's been apparent that you are a condescending asshole. |
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law Protects Mostly Criminals
On Friday, July 27, 2012 5:31:31 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... It's become apparent that he has a reading comprehension issue. It's been apparent that you are a condescending asshole. Nope, here's the "cite": --------------------- Holy ****! First you say that it's hearsay if there's no physical evidence, Holy **** is right! I never said that. then you say it's hearsay only if it's first person, Never said that either. It has to be first person to NOT be hearsay. You can't repeat what someone else told you they saw. then you say that not hearsay because she didn't *SEE* anything!!!! Wow. Never said that, but did say it *was* hearsay for her to testify about things she didn't see firsthand. ----------------------- Among tons of other times where you simply don't understand what someone wrote, or your own linked cites which don't prove your point, but the opposite. You have problems grasping the written word. |
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