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The fiscal conservatives are saying why is the government throwing money
at
a car only the rich can afford? If you want to crank up the electric
car
market, look at subsidies for ZAP and other cheap around town cars. Not
one
where the average purchaser has a $250,000 Adjusted Gross Income.

Again, as with all new technology, at first, it's expensive.

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New Technology? there were about 20 electric car companies in 1920. Got
30-50 miles on a charge then. How about supporting a $2000 electric car?

Yes, new technology. Compare the Tesla to those built in 1920 and get
back with me.

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comparison. Still costs 3x a gasoline car. Gets a few more miles per
charge. Still uses fossil fuel to get charged. Better looking, more
comfortable. 1920, did not get taxpayer subsidy. Nastier stuff for the
battery. Lots more fossil fuel to build the fluff that makes the car look
so cool. Still good for around town. Want to go on a 300 mile trip? Plug
in a fossil fuel powered internal combustion engine.

Again, and again, you fail to understand that new technology is
expensive at first, but then gets cheaper and cheaper. That's just the
way it is. As crude as the model T was, it would cost $14,000 in today's
dollars. That isn't cheap for something that crude.

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The fiscal conservatives are saying why is the government throwing
money
at
a car only the rich can afford? If you want to crank up the electric
car
market, look at subsidies for ZAP and other cheap around town cars.
Not
one
where the average purchaser has a $250,000 Adjusted Gross Income.

Again, as with all new technology, at first, it's expensive.

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New Technology? there were about 20 electric car companies in 1920.
Got
30-50 miles on a charge then. How about supporting a $2000 electric
car?

Yes, new technology. Compare the Tesla to those built in 1920 and get
back with me.

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comparison. Still costs 3x a gasoline car. Gets a few more miles per
charge. Still uses fossil fuel to get charged. Better looking, more
comfortable. 1920, did not get taxpayer subsidy. Nastier stuff for the
battery. Lots more fossil fuel to build the fluff that makes the car look
so cool. Still good for around town. Want to go on a 300 mile trip?
Plug
in a fossil fuel powered internal combustion engine.

Again, and again, you fail to understand that new technology is
expensive at first, but then gets cheaper and cheaper. That's just the
way it is. As crude as the model T was, it would cost $14,000 in today's
dollars. That isn't cheap for something that crude.


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That $14k was not that crude, and was fairly reasonable in the time. Just
like a $14k car would be reasonable now. We are not against Technology.
Hell I live in a very nice neighborhood and have a very comfortable
retirement because of Technology. But the government tossing $30,000 of
taxpayer money at Tesla per car is not investing in Tech, that is paying off
campaign donors. How many other electric vehicles could the 90% buy if you
give a $10,000 subsidy to a Tango or other electric town car. You are going
to need a Hybrid for any extended trips.

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That $14k was not that crude, and was fairly reasonable in the time. Just
like a $14k car would be reasonable now. We are not against Technology.
Hell I live in a very nice neighborhood and have a very comfortable
retirement because of Technology. But the government tossing $30,000 of
taxpayer money at Tesla per car is not investing in Tech, that is paying
off
campaign donors. How many other electric vehicles could the 90% buy if you
give a $10,000 subsidy to a Tango or other electric town car. You are
going
to need a Hybrid for any extended trips.

I have been interested in an electric car for 15 years, since I
retired and I don't need a long distance car. I still can't get the
numbers even close and that was getting a kit to convert a car I
already own.
It is the battery. (also the "li-ion"s share of the cost of the
Tesla)
Even using a very mature technology like lead acid, you can't get
close to the price of gasoline, even at $5 a gallon.

When Car and driver ran the numbers on a Volt, they figured out you do
a lot better with a Cruze.
They really need to get the battery cost down before this will make
sense. Until then, electric cars will be a rich man's toy that the tax
payer is subsidizing, much like all of these alternate energy schemes.


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In Europe the small cars of choice are diesel. Both because of the tax
differential on fuel and the fact they get 60-80 miles per gallon in say VW
Jetta TDI. Even the Smart Car in the US is required to be gas and only gets
about 40 mpg.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/02/21...s-teslas-elon/
It is now the $300-500 range. Probably cheaper in Flooded lead acid
batteries, but lots more weight and displacement.