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Because it says so...

On 7/18/2012 9:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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Faith, as it is being discussed here, is not serious evidence of
anything beyond belief.
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No sir. Faith is much more than a belief. That's why I know I don't
have it, nor do you. But, I see serious evidence of it's existence
in others every day.
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I don't give a damn if the "faithful" believe in the easter bunny, santa
claus, jesus or punxsutawney phil. The problems arise when such
believers try to force their "faith" and their religiously based beliefs
onto non-believers or those who believe differently. That is happening
with increasing frequency and nastiness in this country.
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This last paragraph is simply something you believe.
Keep it up. These sessions do you so much good! ;-)

Damn you for the coffee spritzed on my keyboard. ;-)

Because it says so...

On 7/18/2012 11:04 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/18/2012 9:16 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/18/12 8:56 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/18/2012 1:27 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/17/2012 8:00 PM, JustWait wrote:

When you pigeon hole faith like you do, nobody is really going to take
you seriously enough to share anyway. Besides, you already have
made up
your mind....

My tentative conclusions will change if better evidence warrants. You
offer nothing.

I offer nothing to you.... Because you don't want it, you just want to
sit here and feel superior in your ignorance.... So be it..

*You* are the one who sits in a puddle of ignorance and feels superior
about the squalor of your intellect. Neither you nor any of the other
"believers" can offer up one conclusive bit of evidence that proves the
existence of a creator.

Not necessary. All you have to do is believe in something. You can't get
away with saying I don't know who or what caused what's happening; but
it wasn't a creator of any kind" It makes you sound ignorant.

When did I ever say anything about "a creator". These guys just can't
keep up...

Because it says so...

On 7/18/12 11:28 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/18/2012 11:04 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/18/2012 9:16 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/18/12 8:56 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/18/2012 1:27 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/17/2012 8:00 PM, JustWait wrote:

When you pigeon hole faith like you do, nobody is really going to
take
you seriously enough to share anyway. Besides, you already have
made up
your mind....

My tentative conclusions will change if better evidence warrants. You
offer nothing.

I offer nothing to you.... Because you don't want it, you just want to
sit here and feel superior in your ignorance.... So be it..

*You* are the one who sits in a puddle of ignorance and feels superior
about the squalor of your intellect. Neither you nor any of the other
"believers" can offer up one conclusive bit of evidence that proves the
existence of a creator.

Not necessary. All you have to do is believe in something. You can't get
away with saying I don't know who or what caused what's happening; but
it wasn't a creator of any kind" It makes you sound ignorant.

When did I ever say anything about "a creator". These guys just can't
keep up...

Can't keep up with you? A rotifer has more brain power than you have.

Because it says so...

On 7/18/2012 11:10 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/18/2012 9:29 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/18/12 8:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 7/18/12 1:57 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 7/17/12 8:53 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 6:35 pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 7/17/12 7:08 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jul 17, 10:48 am, thumper wrote:
On 7/17/2012 5:45 AM, Tim wrote:

And what marvels me is those who feel that if science can't prove
it,
then there is (nor can not be ) any other explanation.

Undoubtedly there are *many* things that science will never
"prove".
That doesn't make supernatural explanations valid.

You're right. but "supernatural explanations" shouldn't be
discounted
because of such.

Goodness...and I thought you were at least near rational.

I am. Why should I not be? I'm not discounting science, but I'm also
not discounting anything supernatural or divine. No Harry, I'm not a
close minded person as you seem to like to paint Christians to be. in
fact, I'd think I'd ;like to be considered open-minded. Not choosing
only one side.

That to me is irrational.

There isn't even the slightest bit of serious evidence to support "the
supernatural" or "the divine." Nothing, nada, zilch, zip.

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There is, Harry and it's very serious. There are millions and
millions of
people who support and demonstrate it everyday. It can be summed
up in a single word.

Faith.

Not all have it. You obviously don't. I don't. But that doesn't
mean
it doesn't exist.

"Faith" isn't serious evidence.

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If "Faith" isn't serious evidence of something, what are you
complaining about?
For those who have embraced it, it is the most significant cause of
millions upon
millions of other people's lifestyles, views on controversial issues and
even
why we are all here in the first place. "Faith" has an enormous affect
on how
people think and act world wide . If that isn't serious evidence of
something,
I don't know what is.

For those of us that lack it, we may not understand it. Doesn't mean it
doesn't
exist. I tend not to ridicule or attempt to destroy in others
something that I don't
have or understand. You tend to demonstrate otherwise.

I have no interest in "destroying," as it were, the faith others have in
religious beliefs. I'm not standing in a pulpit anywhere telling people
not to believe, nor am I trying to get legislation passed outlawing
religious belief. My issue with religion is mainly with the efforts
believers make (especially fundamentalists) to shove their beliefs down
the throats of those who believe differently or not at all.

If the "religious" simply kept their attempts to control within their
flock, I'd pretty much ignore them. But they don't...they're poisoning
everyone's well with overt hatred of those they don't like or perfectly
legal activities of which they don't approve.

Frankly, I would support efforts to remove the tax exemptions from any
religious organizations or surrogate organizations that are actively
engaged in political activities that go beyond lobbying for help for the
hungry, the homeless, the poor, the sick, et cetera.

If you kept your flock together and quiet, I'll bet you won't hear any
"shoving down your throat", at least as far as rec.boats is concerned.

So the lesson for you to learn is don't push if you don't want to be
pushed back.

Can I get an Amen?

Amen...

Because it says so...

On 7/18/12 1:07 PM, JustWait wrote:

If you kept your flock together and quiet, I'll bet you won't hear any
"shoving down your throat", at least as far as rec.boats is concerned.

So the lesson for you to learn is don't push if you don't want to be
pushed back.

Can I get an Amen?

Amen...

Fools and their friends.

Because it says so...

On Jul 17, 10:11*pm, Wayne B wrote:

There are certainly plenty of unexplained phenomena, any of which
could be supernatural until proven otherwise. *Have you ever taken a
close look at the implications of quantum physics? *Nowhere else is
the supernatural so closely intertwined with science.

I'm glad you brought up the idea of 'quantum physics' Wayne.

Though I never was one of scientific academia, I've never discounted
the vitality of any kind of scientific knowledge, or how it can
coincide with 'divine faith. '

In fact, and though I'm no way a physicist - the more I learn about
science, and especially about quantum mechanics and astrophysics, the
more convinced I am that God's hand is at work in all these miraculous
laws which tend to govern the universe.

Because it says so...

On 7/18/2012 5:56 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/18/2012 1:27 AM, thumper wrote:

My tentative conclusions will change if better evidence warrants. You
offer nothing.

I offer nothing to you.... Because you don't want it, you just want to
sit here and feel superior in your ignorance.... So be it..

I'll have to assume that's an admission you have only wishful thinking.
I'm sorry it hurts your feelings. It's an interesting subject.