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says... On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who weren't trained by the navy. Doing what? Do you even know what "the liberal arts" are? In modern colleges and universities, liberal arts include literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, the physical and biological sciences, and the social sciences. I'm a liberal arts grad. I started earning an annual income in the six figures in the 1970's, and I still am earning at that level from work I do, even though I have cut back some. I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads. Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six figure salaries and bonuses. There are many scientists at the NIH and other health and science related agencies that earn in the six figures. We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a year. The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree, earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad of the University of Notre Dame. I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over $100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. |
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On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. |
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In article ,
says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! |
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On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? |
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On 6/19/2012 8:29 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleweGdnREFYLfQG0LSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who weren't trained by the navy. Doing what? Do you even know what "the liberal arts" are? In modern colleges and universities, liberal arts include literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, the physical and biological sciences, and the social sciences. I'm a liberal arts grad. I started earning an annual income in the six figures in the 1970's, and I still am earning at that level from work I do, even though I have cut back some. I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads. Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six figure salaries and bonuses. There are many scientists at the NIH and other health and science related agencies that earn in the six figures. We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a year. The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree, earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad of the University of Notre Dame. I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over $100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. Don't it though? |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. |
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On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? |
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On 6/19/2012 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. When you get to the level Harry's sweetheart is, they publish her salary on the internet. Talk about invasion of privacy. |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite easy. |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. |
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On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite easy. snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his "wife" was researching it. |
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On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite easy. snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his "wife" was researching it. Well, right here is where I started: http://marine1fdny.com/ Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut everybody up who doesn't believe it!! |
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On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. |
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On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite easy. snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his "wife" was researching it. Well, right here is where I started: http://marine1fdny.com/ Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut everybody up who doesn't believe it!! A. As a matter of principle, I rarely do what the trash here "wants" me to do. B. I don't care whether the trash "shuts up." C. I already have all the "proof" I need. |
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On 6/19/12 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:47:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 6/18/12 9:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:48:22 -0400, X ` Man wrote: This sounds like "rote learning and memorization" to me: "18 weeks of a 8 hour a day school is equal to about 48 credit hours of college in classroom time." Not much time to think about what you are learning and contemplating possibilities. This was a little different than the set it and forget it education you get in regular schools. We lived this stuff. I had a side gig tutoring a couple of the E5s that were in a rate change and struggling. I wasn't paid but I got good duty. Those boys were scared because the penalty for failing was a lot worse for them. I spent a couple hours a night going over the day with them.. They got me into Cappy's White Horse tavern for a beer after. I also did not have to get up in the morning for jumping jacks. The "set it and forget it education you get in regular schools"? Sorry, I missed out on attending those sorts of schools. I remember a lot of what I was taught in high school and most of what was covered in my classes in college, and all my life I've built on that knowledge base. The public schools I attended (DC and PG county) were not that great but still better than they are today. In Florida, when less than half the kids passed the FCAT, they simply regraded the tests to a lower standard. This is after 3 years of teachers complaining that they were only "teaching the test" The class was taught in one of the oldest buildings on campus, a large structure built shortly after the Civil War. The steam pipe heating system really cranked on those cold winter mornings, and many of us wondered if they would explode and kill us all before we finished the "required" class, or, if we survived, whether we'd have to repeat the class in another building. We had steam radiator heat in my high school too. They were hissing and banging all day. I blame parents more than any other factor for the poor performance of their kids in school. |
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On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's genius wife, eh? Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite easy. snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his "wife" was researching it. Well, right here is where I started: http://marine1fdny.com/ Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut everybody up who doesn't believe it!! A. As a matter of principle, I rarely do what the trash here "wants" me to do. B. I don't care whether the trash "shuts up." C. I already have all the "proof" I need. Yep, exactly as suspected, you are a liar, and have always been a liar, and always will be a liar. |
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On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a warehouse worker for a supermarket chain. |
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On 6/19/2012 12:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a warehouse worker for a supermarket chain. Even a warehouse worker could easily identify Harry Krause as a liar. |
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On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a warehouse worker for a supermarket chain. What do you have against honest work? |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51:46 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. The article proves your "bs" was, well, BS. The vast majority of the people I've encountered here and in my extensive travel in my job over the years don't talk about compensation. Of course a few do, and there are exceptions in some workplaces, but the vast majority in private industry don't. Period. As to the cultural thing, in the South in polite company, you simply don't ask or tell about salary. My wife and I don't know what any of our family members are making (except for a couple of round numbers), and they don't ask us. Oh sure, a couple of workers at McDonalds would talk about that kind of stuff, but once you're in the professional realm at work, you just don't. Obviously, polite company is something you don't understand. |
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On Jun 19, 12:07*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake? I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera, industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers, since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in cash assets. Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works. Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most of your buddies, is just appalling. You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I think I will! No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an "excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a 7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either. Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy. Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is your buddy Don! Now Kevin, I never talk badly of you.........well at least nothing that is untrue. |
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On 6/19/12 2:31 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51:46 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. The article proves your "bs" was, well, BS. The vast majority of the people I've encountered here and in my extensive travel in my job over the years don't talk about compensation. Of course a few do, and there are exceptions in some workplaces, but the vast majority in private industry don't. Period. As to the cultural thing, in the South in polite company, you simply don't ask or tell about salary. My wife and I don't know what any of our family members are making (except for a couple of round numbers), and they don't ask us. Oh sure, a couple of workers at McDonalds would talk about that kind of stuff, but once you're in the professional realm at work, you just don't. Obviously, polite company is something you don't understand. Polite? South Carolina, possibly the most racist state in the United States. Choke on it. |
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On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a warehouse worker for a supermarket chain. What do you have against honest work? What has JustSnot to do with honest work? |
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On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will take you back. |
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On 6/19/12 2:31 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51:46 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. The article proves your "bs" was, well, BS. The "article" doesn't *prove* anything. Crikey, are you naive... |
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On Jun 19, 3:42*pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. *Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. *You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. *While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. *Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. *The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. *They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will take you back. Doubt it! |
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On 6/19/12 2:48 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will take you back. Doubt it! Of course, he says there is no wife and daughter. Loogy claimed to have both, but then he "disappeared," with claims of some mysterious illness/injury afflicting his wife. I never believed any of that. |
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On 6/19/2012 2:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a warehouse worker for a supermarket chain. What do you have against honest work? What has JustSnot to do with honest work? What you said about warehouse work was a lie then? Figures. At one end of the spectrum you have George W. and at the other end you have Harry K. |
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says... On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will take you back. Hey, idiot, I'm not Loogy, I'm not married, and I have no kids that I know about. I've offered a bet to both you and Don, why don't you two grow a pair and pony up some real money? |
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On 6/19/12 3:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked. I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys make a whole lot more than the marginal guys. it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover for yet another lie... If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is in a union, their salary is public knowledge. When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least was the person who made the least and he was ****ed. It did make it clear that there was a merit component. They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming. At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was easy to guess. In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus bought a new car, after taxes. At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and* copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable. This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had were liberal arts degrees. In English. "Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012. When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will take you back. Hey, idiot, I'm not Loogy, I'm not married, and I have no kids that I know about. I've offered a bet to both you and Don, why don't you two grow a pair and pony up some real money? When you were loogy, you had a wife and kid(s). If you want some money, get a job. Or find one job for you and your buddy iSnotty that you two can share. |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:41:27 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 2:31 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51:46 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. The article proves your "bs" was, well, BS. The vast majority of the people I've encountered here and in my extensive travel in my job over the years don't talk about compensation. Of course a few do, and there are exceptions in some workplaces, but the vast majority in private industry don't. Period. As to the cultural thing, in the South in polite company, you simply don't ask or tell about salary. My wife and I don't know what any of our family members are making (except for a couple of round numbers), and they don't ask us. Oh sure, a couple of workers at McDonalds would talk about that kind of stuff, but once you're in the professional realm at work, you just don't. Obviously, polite company is something you don't understand. Polite? South Carolina, possibly the most racist state in the United States. Choke on it. Maryland, home of the KKK. Choke on that. |
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:47:42 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 2:31 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51:46 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are also merit based companies not simply time in grade,. Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue. I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise. As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning. If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise. People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed. Best to know the market price of your abilities/products. "Quiet rooms" never was my style. Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet. I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation. Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what? This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long. Bull****. http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out. Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work. The article proves your "bs" was, well, BS. The "article" doesn't *prove* anything. Crikey, are you naive... The article proves that what you called bs on is real. Ever the asshole, aren't you harry. |
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