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Wayne.B June 3rd 12 04:09 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:18:08 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Still apples and oranges. Although Zimmerman followed Martin till the
cops told him to stop. All the evidence so far leads to the conclusion
Martin initiated the contact, and started the fight.. So all this other
**** doesn't matter, at the time of the shooting, Zimmerman was
"standing his ground"... Period...


===

There are a lot of very murky legal issues tangled up in this case.
I don't think it's a slam dunk for either side.


JustWait[_2_] June 3rd 12 04:10 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/2012 10:26 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/3/12 10:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/3/2012 9:10 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/3/2012 8:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:


Your slow-witted right-wing buddy JustHate has implied any number of
times that he'd try to *push* his way in here. That is home
invasion. If
he tried that, he'd be leaving on a gurney or in a body bag, and I'd
probably get an award for improving the gene pool.

Doubt it. Show us one instance where you imagined he made that
implication. You got some crazy ideas floating around in that swelled
head of yours.


That is absolutly nuts.. I AM sending this one off to his local cops,
it's obvious he is setting up to shoot me. Glad I know this so if I ever
run into him I know to shoot first since he is trying to kill me
anyway...



You're going to tell the police that *if* you home invade or push your
way in here, your violence will be met appropriately? That should make
them giggle.



No, I am going to show them what a fantasy world you live in, imagining
to yourself, in your basement, that I ever said anything ever about
pushing in your doors.. You are delusional harry...

JustWait[_2_] June 3rd 12 04:10 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/2012 10:47 AM, BAR wrote:
In aweb.com,
says...

On 6/3/2012 8:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:


Your slow-witted right-wing buddy JustHate has implied any number of
times that he'd try to *push* his way in here. That is home invasion. If
he tried that, he'd be leaving on a gurney or in a body bag, and I'd
probably get an award for improving the gene pool.


Doubt it. Show us one instance where you imagined he made that
implication. You got some crazy ideas floating around in that swelled
head of yours.


Harry has an itchy trigger finger. I wouldn't be surprised if he walks
around the house with a hog leg strapped to his side.


Maybe a porkchop around his neck so dr3 will pay attention to him...:)

iBoaterer[_2_] June 3rd 12 04:17 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
In article , says...

On 6/3/2012 10:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:46:19 -0400,
wrote:

Bottom line for anybody with an IQ over about 3, if you are pursuing
somebody, you are not STANDING your ground, you are COVERING ground.
See the difference?


===

At least in Florida, not sure about other places, you are allowed to
use deadly force to prevent the commission of a violent felony, even
if requires pursuit. That is not "stand your ground" law however.


Still apples and oranges. Although Zimmerman followed Martin till the
cops told him to stop. All the evidence so far leads to the conclusion


That is yet another one of your lies. He didn't follow Martin "till the
cops told him to stop". He continued after they told him that it's not a
good idea.

Martin initiated the contact, and started the fight.. So all this

other

You don't know that.

**** doesn't matter, at the time of the shooting, Zimmerman was
"standing his ground"... Period...


Bull****.



iBoaterer[_2_] June 3rd 12 04:18 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
In article , says...

On 6/3/2012 10:26 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/3/12 10:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/3/2012 9:10 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/3/2012 8:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:


Your slow-witted right-wing buddy JustHate has implied any number of
times that he'd try to *push* his way in here. That is home
invasion. If
he tried that, he'd be leaving on a gurney or in a body bag, and I'd
probably get an award for improving the gene pool.

Doubt it. Show us one instance where you imagined he made that
implication. You got some crazy ideas floating around in that swelled
head of yours.

That is absolutly nuts.. I AM sending this one off to his local cops,
it's obvious he is setting up to shoot me. Glad I know this so if I ever
run into him I know to shoot first since he is trying to kill me
anyway...



You're going to tell the police that *if* you home invade or push your
way in here, your violence will be met appropriately? That should make
them giggle.



No, I am going to show them what a fantasy world you live in, imagining
to yourself, in your basement, that I ever said anything ever about
pushing in your doors.. You are delusional harry...


Harry's never let fact get in the way of a good lie.

iBoaterer[_2_] June 3rd 12 04:19 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
In article ,
says...

In article m,

says...

On 6/3/2012 8:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:


Your slow-witted right-wing buddy JustHate has implied any number of
times that he'd try to *push* his way in here. That is home invasion. If
he tried that, he'd be leaving on a gurney or in a body bag, and I'd
probably get an award for improving the gene pool.


Doubt it. Show us one instance where you imagined he made that
implication. You got some crazy ideas floating around in that swelled
head of yours.


Harry has an itchy trigger finger. I wouldn't be surprised if he walks
around the house with a hog leg strapped to his side.


Because he's a coward.

Oscar June 3rd 12 04:36 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/2012 9:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/3/12 8:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:22:12 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:16:00 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/2/2012 1:09 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/2/12 1:05 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:06:32 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:25:15 -0400, wrote:

In ,

says...

In ,
says...

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:21:17 -0400,
wrote:

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/



The law is not stupid. The absolute lack of common sense in
America
is. So is the fact that the richest Americans have, since
Eisenhower,
gradually bought more and more of the government until today,
they own
it.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

The police are not available to protect you. They are
available to
document the crimes you have committed or that have been
committed
against you.

Yeah, the stand your ground law lets you kill innocent children,
that's
great huh?

No, the stand your ground law is being mis-applied in this case.
Zimmerman drew the line in the sand to stand his ground, but
when HE
crossed that line, that action made that law inapplicable.

Apparently, Florida is common sense challenged.

Well true, but I said nothing about Zimmerman.

Then, if you aren't referring to Zimmerman, you are totally wrong.
Then your statement, "Yeah, the stand your ground law lets you kill
innocent children, that's great huh?" is totally false.


If Zimmerman walks, it'll be totally true.

Guess you are the only one left who hasn't figured out this isn't your
meal ticket, virtually all of Zimmermans story has been backed up
by the
evidence AND witness initial testimony... Why do you think the rest of
the race baiters in Congress and the Media have left poor Treyvon
Martin
behind? Come on harry, try to keep up...

Zimmerman opened the door for this confrontation. He rightfully
deserves a hefty portion of the criminal responsibility. Not all,
certainly, but a hefty portion as determined by the courts.

The homeowner who hears a commotion outside and who then goes outside
and finds someone trying to kill a person. The someone doing the killing
turns on the homeowner and lunges at him with a bloody knife and the
homeowner kills the guy with his gun. Did the homeowner initiate the
confrontation and should the homeowner be bear responsibility for a
hefty portion of the criminal responsibility of killing the killer?



Apples and Oranges. Now, you are talking (1) castle doctrine and (2) a
felonious act being committed.


The problem with the FL law is that the judgment of good shooting or
not is made solely by a judge, a single man. That decision should be
made by 12.

Tell that to the guy in Philly.


He probably already knows that. The Castle Doctrine Act there requires
the "good shooting" decision to be made by the DA.



There is no single law in the United States that covers the so-called
"Castle Doctrine." Instead, we have the usual state-by-state patchwork
of laws pertaining to that and to what you can do if you are a victim of
a home invader.

Castle Doctrine laws, however, typically aren't like Florida's idiotic
"stand your ground" law. Under Castle Doctrine, you typically have to be
inside your "castle" (house) and warding off someone who broke or forced
their way in.

Walking down the street of your subdivision, challenging a kid you don't
like, chasing after him, getting into a fight and then shooting him is
likely to get you convicted of a serious felony in Maryland.

Mister writer guy, you made a couple of mistakes. Make it Challenging a
young man you don't recognize. How about monitoring his movements
because you are suspicious of him. It appears from all accounts that
Treevon was the fighter and Zimmerman was defending himself against the
attacker, Treevon. Zimmerman will likely walk.

Oscar June 3rd 12 04:44 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/2012 10:08 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/3/12 10:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:46:19 -0400, wrote:

Bottom line for anybody with an IQ over about 3, if you are pursuing
somebody, you are not STANDING your ground, you are COVERING ground.
See the difference?


===

At least in Florida, not sure about other places, you are allowed to
use deadly force to prevent the commission of a violent felony, even
if requires pursuit. That is not "stand your ground" law however.



In Florida, a violent felony means minding your own business while
walking to the house where your dad is staying, armed with a soft drink
and a bag of candy. In those circumstances, a self-appointed vigilante
can confront you, get into a fight and then shoot you.

Viva la Florida.


What! Treevon's dad didn't even live at the complex? So Treevon was
visiting a visitor to the complex? No wonder Zimmerman asked what
Treevon was doing there. I can only imagine what kind of punkish
response Treevon gave.

X ` Man[_3_] June 3rd 12 04:46 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/12 10:47 AM, BAR wrote:
In aweb.com,
says...

On 6/3/2012 8:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:


Your slow-witted right-wing buddy JustHate has implied any number of
times that he'd try to *push* his way in here. That is home invasion. If
he tried that, he'd be leaving on a gurney or in a body bag, and I'd
probably get an award for improving the gene pool.


Doubt it. Show us one instance where you imagined he made that
implication. You got some crazy ideas floating around in that swelled
head of yours.


Harry has an itchy trigger finger. I wouldn't be surprised if he walks
around the house with a hog leg strapped to his side.


It's interesting how you and the other mostly uneducated righties come
to such wild, bizarre conclusions.

Oscar June 3rd 12 04:49 PM

The utter stupidity of the stand your ground law
 
On 6/3/2012 10:18 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/3/2012 10:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:46:19 -0400, wrote:

Bottom line for anybody with an IQ over about 3, if you are pursuing
somebody, you are not STANDING your ground, you are COVERING ground.
See the difference?


===

At least in Florida, not sure about other places, you are allowed to
use deadly force to prevent the commission of a violent felony, even
if requires pursuit. That is not "stand your ground" law however.


Still apples and oranges. Although Zimmerman followed Martin till the
cops told him to stop. All the evidence so far leads to the conclusion
Martin initiated the contact, and started the fight.. So all this other
**** doesn't matter, at the time of the shooting, Zimmerman was
"standing his ground"... Period...


Not quite correct. At the time of the shooting, Treevon was sitting on
top of the prone Zimmerman beating the **** out of him. Pardon my
French. That looks more like self defense than stand your ground.


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