On 5/3/2012 8:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
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On Wed, 02 May 2012 21:04:00 -0700, wrote:

On 5/2/2012 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2012 08:42:08 -0700, wrote:

On 5/2/2012 5:14 AM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says...

On 5/1/2012 12:40 PM, wrote:

In fact the physical attack is not even the legal test, only that
Zimmerman feared he was going to be harmed.

What a stupid law.

You are supposed to die as all good victims should.

I've survived quite a while without a gun including Detroit and Chicago.
If I killed every time I felt fear of harm there would be more than a
few needless deaths.


The real question is whether there was an imminent threat.

You just said it was "only that Zimmerman feared he was going to be harmed."

There is nothing more imminent that an attack in progress.

How many of
these thugs punched you in the nose, knocked you down and banged your
head on the concrete? (simply because they thought you were watching
them)

I would not be surprised if you have a number for that but the big
city philosophy is that you are supposed to tolerate crime, make a
report to the police and assume nobody will ever be arrested for it.

Some of us moved here because we don't want to live like that.

I don't tolerate crime any more than you do, including vigilante murder.

The state still has not proved that is what happened

Because it hasn't gone to court yet.


If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

Who cares...?

Anyone who wants to point out hypocrisy.

On 5/3/2012 6:29 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/2/12 10:43 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, wrote:

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......


...and his fists.


Wayne's advice? Never bring fists to a gunfight.

Good advice.

On 5/3/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, wrote:

The real question is whether there was an imminent threat. How many of
these thugs punched you in the nose, knocked you down and banged your
head on the concrete? (simply because they thought you were watching
them)

You don't know if that's what happened.

As I have stated a number of times, the state can't prove that is not
what happened either.
Why is it so hard to believe that a dope smoking thief like Martin
would not attack someone. (there IS evidence of the theft and dope)

That's just silly! Anyone knows you can't prove a negative. Why is it so
hard to believe that a known (and arrested for) violent vigilante like
Zimmerman would attack someone?


I would not be surprised if you have a number for that but the big
city philosophy is that you are supposed to tolerate crime, make a
report to the police and assume nobody will ever be arrested for it.

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......

You don't need a weapon to harm someone. Over 800 people were killed
in the US in 2009 with hands or feet as the only weapon (the last year
I could find data for)

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles......



Some of us moved here because we don't want to live like that. If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

If they didn't want to live like that, why move to the 'burbs of
Orlando, it's been a big city for a LONG time.


Sanford is nothing like New York, Chicago or DC
It is 16 miles and a culture away from Orlando.
Orlando is not even like any North Eastern city I have seen.
It is just a big conglomeration of theme parks and hotels.

Bull****!! Orlando LONG before Disney et al was a big working city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/orlando/crime/

As far as your take on Sanford, then just why was Zimmerman a vigilante
who claimed that he was doing this because of "numerous" break ins if
Sanford is such an idyllic place?


There are thousands of neighborhood watch organizations across the
country, and many cities give uniforms and police cars to citizen
volunteers who serve to protect all citizens against crimes. I doubt
that any of those volunteers would appreciate a flaming retard calling
them vigilantes.

On 5/3/2012 10:43 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/3/12 10:38 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 06:33:00 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 5/3/12 12:59 AM, wrote:

If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

Who cares...?

Anyone who wants to point out hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? I haven't shot anyone and unless we encounter a "home
invader," I'm not going to shoot anyone. A kid walking down the street,
no matter what his skin color, is not going to attract my curiosity. Oh,
and as you know, just about anyone can get a carry permit on demand in
Florida, since it is one of the loosest states in gun control. The
same is not true in Maryland.

Hence my question, why did you go to all the effort to get and
maintain a carry permit in Maryland if you were not in fear of being
attacked on the street? That is the criteria that you swore to when
you applied and we presume you must actually carry if that fear is
ongoing. If it is not, you are lying every time you renew your permit.

I know many people who have tried and failed to get a permit in
Maryland. There was no problem with the background check. The problem
was always a lack of a compelling need.


I told you more than once...it wasn't that much of an "effort" for me.


Of course not. You are a habitual liar. I'd love to hear the reason you
gave for wanting to carry a concealed gun on your person.

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On Thu, 3 May 2012 08:40:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

The real question is whether there was an imminent threat. How many of
these thugs punched you in the nose, knocked you down and banged your
head on the concrete? (simply because they thought you were watching
them)

You don't know if that's what happened.

As I have stated a number of times, the state can't prove that is not
what happened either.
Why is it so hard to believe that a dope smoking thief like Martin
would not attack someone. (there IS evidence of the theft and dope)

That's just silly! Anyone knows you can't prove a negative. Why is it so
hard to believe that a known (and arrested for) violent vigilante like
Zimmerman would attack someone?

If the state can't prove Zimmerman's story is wrong he is innocent.
He says he was walking away from Martin when he was attacked.


I would not be surprised if you have a number for that but the big
city philosophy is that you are supposed to tolerate crime, make a
report to the police and assume nobody will ever be arrested for it.

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......

You don't need a weapon to harm someone. Over 800 people were killed
in the US in 2009 with hands or feet as the only weapon (the last year
I could find data for)

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles......

Why the fascination with the Skittles? Who cares what this kid stole
from the 7-11 if he was trying to kill Zimmerman with his bare hands?



Some of us moved here because we don't want to live like that. If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

If they didn't want to live like that, why move to the 'burbs of
Orlando, it's been a big city for a LONG time.


Sanford is nothing like New York, Chicago or DC
It is 16 miles and a culture away from Orlando.
Orlando is not even like any North Eastern city I have seen.
It is just a big conglomeration of theme parks and hotels.

Bull****!! Orlando LONG before Disney et al was a big working city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/orlando/crime/

Before Disney, Orlando was a tiny ******** in central Florida that was
mainly known for being a rail depot shipping oranges and cattle north.
The biggest emploiyers were the Air Force and Martin-Marietta.

FAR from a "tiny ********".

Now it is a huge ******** with the main industry being the fleecing of
tourists, either at a theme park or in a conventional robbery. If I am
going north, I go up 301, just to miss Orlando.

Gee, you sound bitter! Don't care for free enterprise, huh? 301? Hey,
that means you get to visit such lovely cities as Ocala to avoid that
awful Orlando....

As far as your take on Sanford, then just why was Zimmerman a vigilante
who claimed that he was doing this because of "numerous" break ins if
Sanford is such an idyllic place?



You are simply pointing out why Zimmerman had a right to be afraid of
a thug like Martin.

And you seem to know Martin was a "thug" how? What about the FACTS that
Zimmerman has a violent past? Does Martin? No.

On 5/3/2012 10:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 3 May 2012 08:41:10 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, wrote:

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......


...and his fists.

And you have proof of this, I take it?

===

Someone does. There were witnesses to the scuffle.

That doesn't mean there is real evidence.

Without reel ev-e-dense there is no case.

On 5/3/2012 11:03 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/3/12 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2012 08:40:49 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, wrote:

The real question is whether there was an imminent threat. How
many of
these thugs punched you in the nose, knocked you down and banged your
head on the concrete? (simply because they thought you were watching
them)

You don't know if that's what happened.

As I have stated a number of times, the state can't prove that is not
what happened either.
Why is it so hard to believe that a dope smoking thief like Martin
would not attack someone. (there IS evidence of the theft and dope)

That's just silly! Anyone knows you can't prove a negative. Why is it so
hard to believe that a known (and arrested for) violent vigilante like
Zimmerman would attack someone?

If the state can't prove Zimmerman's story is wrong he is innocent.
He says he was walking away from Martin when he was attacked.


I would not be surprised if you have a number for that but the big
city philosophy is that you are supposed to tolerate crime, make a
report to the police and assume nobody will ever be arrested for it.

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......

You don't need a weapon to harm someone. Over 800 people were killed
in the US in 2009 with hands or feet as the only weapon (the last year
I could find data for)

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles......

Why the fascination with the Skittles? Who cares what this kid stole
from the 7-11 if he was trying to kill Zimmerman with his bare hands?



Some of us moved here because we don't want to live like that. If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

If they didn't want to live like that, why move to the 'burbs of
Orlando, it's been a big city for a LONG time.


Sanford is nothing like New York, Chicago or DC
It is 16 miles and a culture away from Orlando.
Orlando is not even like any North Eastern city I have seen.
It is just a big conglomeration of theme parks and hotels.

Bull****!! Orlando LONG before Disney et al was a big working city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/orlando/crime/

Before Disney, Orlando was a tiny ******** in central Florida that was
mainly known for being a rail depot shipping oranges and cattle north.
The biggest emploiyers were the Air Force and Martin-Marietta.

Now it is a huge ******** with the main industry being the fleecing of
tourists, either at a theme park or in a conventional robbery. If I am
going north, I go up 301, just to miss Orlando.

As far as your take on Sanford, then just why was Zimmerman a vigilante
who claimed that he was doing this because of "numerous" break ins if
Sanford is such an idyllic place?



You are simply pointing out why Zimmerman had a right to be afraid of
a thug like Martin.


You have no evidence Martin was a thug. Zimmerman had an arrest record
that indicates he was a thug.

What was Zimm. ever convicted of?

On 5/3/2012 8:41 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, wrote:

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......


...and his fists.

And you have proof of this, I take it?


I thought everyone knows how to make a fist.

On 5/3/12 11:30 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 5/3/2012 10:38 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 06:33:00 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 5/3/12 12:59 AM, wrote:

If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

Who cares...?

Anyone who wants to point out hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? I haven't shot anyone and unless we encounter a "home
invader," I'm not going to shoot anyone. A kid walking down the street,
no matter what his skin color, is not going to attract my curiosity. Oh,
and as you know, just about anyone can get a carry permit on demand in
Florida, since it is one of the loosest states in gun control. The
same is not true in Maryland.

Hence my question, why did you go to all the effort to get and
maintain a carry permit in Maryland if you were not in fear of being
attacked on the street? That is the criteria that you swore to when
you applied and we presume you must actually carry if that fear is
ongoing. If it is not, you are lying every time you renew your permit.

I know many people who have tried and failed to get a permit in
Maryland. There was no problem with the background check. The problem
was always a lack of a compelling need.

How hard do you think it is for harry to prove there are folks out there
that would wish him harm?


It's probably easy when one can present your insane, threatening posts.

On Thu, 03 May 2012 10:55:34 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 3 May 2012 08:40:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:48:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

The real question is whether there was an imminent threat. How many of
these thugs punched you in the nose, knocked you down and banged your
head on the concrete? (simply because they thought you were watching
them)

You don't know if that's what happened.

As I have stated a number of times, the state can't prove that is not
what happened either.
Why is it so hard to believe that a dope smoking thief like Martin
would not attack someone. (there IS evidence of the theft and dope)

That's just silly! Anyone knows you can't prove a negative. Why is it so
hard to believe that a known (and arrested for) violent vigilante like
Zimmerman would attack someone?

If the state can't prove Zimmerman's story is wrong he is innocent.
He says he was walking away from Martin when he was attacked.


I would not be surprised if you have a number for that but the big
city philosophy is that you are supposed to tolerate crime, make a
report to the police and assume nobody will ever be arrested for it.

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles.......

You don't need a weapon to harm someone. Over 800 people were killed
in the US in 2009 with hands or feet as the only weapon (the last year
I could find data for)

As opposed to killing a kid armed with Skittles......

Why the fascination with the Skittles? Who cares what this kid stole
from the 7-11 if he was trying to kill Zimmerman with his bare hands?



Some of us moved here because we don't want to live like that. If
Harry wants to boycott Florida, do it.
All the time he is bragging about his license to carry in Maryland.
I am still waiting to hear what the justification he used on the
application was.

If they didn't want to live like that, why move to the 'burbs of
Orlando, it's been a big city for a LONG time.


Sanford is nothing like New York, Chicago or DC
It is 16 miles and a culture away from Orlando.
Orlando is not even like any North Eastern city I have seen.
It is just a big conglomeration of theme parks and hotels.

Bull****!! Orlando LONG before Disney et al was a big working city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/orlando/crime/

Before Disney, Orlando was a tiny ******** in central Florida that was
mainly known for being a rail depot shipping oranges and cattle north.
The biggest emploiyers were the Air Force and Martin-Marietta.

Now it is a huge ******** with the main industry being the fleecing of
tourists, either at a theme park or in a conventional robbery. If I am
going north, I go up 301, just to miss Orlando.

As far as your take on Sanford, then just why was Zimmerman a vigilante
who claimed that he was doing this because of "numerous" break ins if
Sanford is such an idyllic place?



You are simply pointing out why Zimmerman had a right to be afraid of
a thug like Martin.

Orlando was much more than that. When I worked at Cape Canaveral in 1964, Orlando was the closest
place to Cocoa Beach one could take a date for a Steak and Shake!