I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

On Apr 22, 4:56*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...PS-Chartplotte...

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. * The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. *That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. * With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B00...

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. *Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540...

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. * You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Very good idea.

I'm copying this Wayne.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

Tim, I can speak to you with experience regarding this unit. You're on the
right track with this unit, but not quite there. I've had two units of this
series. I had the GPSMAP 430 on my previous boat and have the GPSMAP 431 on
my current boat. Both of these units have similar features and the same
screen as the unit on eBay. Both units have performed flawlessly for me.
In fact, I was so pleased with the 430 unit which I let go with the previous
boat, that I bought the current replacement (431) for the boat I purchased
last year. There are a few problems with the specific unit you're
considering on eBay. First, the "s" at the end of the model indicates that
it is capable of being used with a Garmin transducer to use the display as a
fishfinder/sounder as well as a chartplotter. The problem is that this is
the version of the 421s that doesn't include the transducer. If you want to
use the unit with as a fishfinder/sounder you'll have to shell out
additional bucks for a Garmin transducer. The next problem is with the maps
installed in the 421 units. The basemap on the 421 units is a very crude
set of satellite images. What you really want is the inland waters basemap,
which is included on the 430/431 units. Both the 421 and the 430/431 units
also allow you to purchase upgraded maps on SD cards, but the 430/431 units
have the inland waters basemap already included. Finally, this guy's
pricing is no great deal. He's offering the 421s unit with no transducer
and no inland maps for $416. As a comparison, Amazon has the same unit for
$353. Here are some current prices at Amazon for comparable units:

421s WITHOUT transducer: $353
421s WITH transducer: $443
431s WITH transducer: $443
431 chartplotter only, no fishfinder/sounder function: $401

The real question is whether you want the unit to have fishfinder/sounder
capability. If you currently don't have a depthfinder or fishfinder on your
boat, the 421s/431s would be one way to incorporate this function. If you
already have a depthfinder or fishfinder on your boat, then there's probably
no reason to buy one of the "s" models. The downside of the "s" models is
that it splits the screen between the two functions, and the screen isn't
that large to begin with. Also, you get the fun job of installing a
transducer. In my case, since both of my last boats had a digital
depthfinder already installed, I didn't have a need for the sounder function
in the Garmin unit. So I went with the 430 in 2009 and the 431 in 2011.
The 430 is a discontinued product, replaced by the 431, which has a few
minor enhancements to it. I can tell you that the color display on those
units is very readable in direct sunlight. Also, I can tell you that the
NMEA output works well. I have my 431 reporting position to my RayMarine
DSC VHF radio, and it also reports position, speed and other telemetry to my
Mercury SmartCraft gauges. The 431 series is a very nice compact unit that
allows the updating of maps and unit firmware via its SD card slot. My
personal recommendation is for 431s if you need or want the sounder
function, and the 431 if you don't. I used Amazon as an easy source for
pricing data, but a search of the web might yield better pricing. I find
Amazon is usually very competitive with about everything they offer, and
they are super easy to work with. Garmin's website is a good resource for
comparing their units.

Russ

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:30:51 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

===

And here's a unit from Sitex for about $380.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|344|302026|141439|320789|328476&id=887116

I'm not familiar with it but I see that it uses CMAP chart chips. We
use CMAP chips in our Furuno system and they are very, very good -
albeit a bit pricey. You could cover the entire area that you are
interested in with a single W74 chip.

http://www.jeppesen.com/marine/lightmarine/gb/max/coverage.jsp?region=CEU

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:30:51 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

===

And here's a unit from Sitex for about $380.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|344|302026|141439|320789|328476&id=887116

I'm not familiar with it but I see that it uses CMAP chart chips. We
use CMAP chips in our Furuno system and they are very, very good -
albeit a bit pricey. You could cover the entire area that you are
interested in with a single W74 chip.

http://www.jeppesen.com/marine/lightmarine/gb/max/coverage.jsp?region=CEU

I am not a fan of the "deals" that can be had on eBay.

On 4/23/12 6:21 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:30:51 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

===

And here's a unit from Sitex for about $380.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|344|302026|141439|320789|328476&id=887116

I'm not familiar with it but I see that it uses CMAP chart chips. We
use CMAP chips in our Furuno system and they are very, very good -
albeit a bit pricey. You could cover the entire area that you are
interested in with a single W74 chip.

http://www.jeppesen.com/marine/lightmarine/gb/max/coverage.jsp?region=CEU

I am not a fan of the "deals" that can be had on eBay.


What difference does that make to you? You've never even owned a boat.

On 4/23/2012 8:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/23/12 6:21 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:30:51 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be
about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a
good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...item231b9453ab


Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B000PKX2KA


http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item256f935924


It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

===

And here's a unit from Sitex for about $380.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|344|302026|141439|320789|328476&id=887116


I'm not familiar with it but I see that it uses CMAP chart chips. We
use CMAP chips in our Furuno system and they are very, very good -
albeit a bit pricey. You could cover the entire area that you are
interested in with a single W74 chip.

http://www.jeppesen.com/marine/lightmarine/gb/max/coverage.jsp?region=CEU


I am not a fan of the "deals" that can be had on eBay.


What difference does that make to you? You've never even owned a boat.

What does fanship of ebay have to do with boat ownership?

On Apr 23, 8:21*am, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:30:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm thinking on the idea of ditching the harts and going with a
Garmin.

I'm think of going with something like this...

I don't really feel like spending huge dollars and this would be about
my limit, I Don't know anything about them, does this seem like a good
model? and are the charts automatically renewable, or do you have to
buy an update?

BTW, This 2owuld be used for running on the Ohio, Tennessee, and
Cumberland rivers, including lake Barclay and Ky. Lakes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-Rebate-G...PS-Chartplotte....

Thanks!

===

I'm not familiar with that particular model of Garmin chart plotter
but most Garmin products rank fairly well for ease of use. * The
downside is that you need to buy one or more Garmin chart chips, and
before you do that, you should check to make sure they have chips for
your area. *That particular model uses something called BlueChart® g2
Vision cards that I am not familiar with.

If you already have a laptop computer you may not need anything but a
small handheld GPS for backup and use in a dinghy. * With the addition
of a $30 USB GPS, an inexpensive inverter, a free software download,
and free chart downloads, you are on the air with a full featured
navigation package with route planning, waypoint setting, track
plotting, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/GlobalSat-BU-353-Waterproof-USB-Receiver/dp/B00....

http://opencpn.org/ocpn/

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download_agreement.htm

There are other Garmins that you might consider. *Here's an EBAY
listing for a used 192C which is an older unit but has good features:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPSMAP-192C-GPS-Receiver-/160785717540....

It uses chart chips that cost about $100 or so. * You should check on
chart availability for your area before buying any plotter.

Looks like a nice little unit. But, you can purchase it from Garmin for
$499.99

No. It RETAILS for only $439.99, but that assumes you caught the "no
transponder" note, which I am guessing is the hook.

I don't think I would go the "computer" route, since it requires an
inverter and a Rube Goldberg setup and still doesn't give you anything
but GPS. You can do GPS (only) for a LOT less and carry it with you
off the boat with street map capability.

Thank you for sharing.