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In article 25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".

He also said he had lost sight of Martin

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

[email protected]

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".

He also said he had lost sight of Martin

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, wrote:

In ,

The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".

He also said he had lost sight of Martin

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault& battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."

Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/17/12 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM, wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."

Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose.

Nothing more than right-wing conjecture on your part.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM, wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."

Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)

I think Martin was standing his ground, and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?

This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?

Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.

We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!

[email protected]

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:00:33 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM, wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."

Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)

I think Martin was standing his ground,

You "think", but you don't know. That's the problem, you're opinion is not based on any facts.

and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?

Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.

This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?

Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.

Hearsay and pure conjecture.

We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!

"Beat this charge" does not equal "innocent". I'll bet even FOX would tell you that!

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article 6021465.87.1334684966681.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yncc41, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:00:33 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM, wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."

Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)

I think Martin was standing his ground,

You "think", but you don't know. That's the problem, you're opinion is not based on any facts.

And neither is YOUR position.

and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?

Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.

Gee, you say that like you have facts to back that up! What are they?
Hospital reports? Nope.
Witnesses? Nope.
Hearsay? Yep!

This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?

Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.

Hearsay and pure conjecture.

No, it's not according to the Sanford police department.

We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!

"Beat this charge" does not equal "innocent". I'll bet even FOX would tell you that!

Sorry, I don't take anything spewed on FOX as fact.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:16:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.

Gee, you say that like you have facts to back that up! What are they?
Hospital reports? Nope.

The Z family says they have medical records

Hearsay.

Witnesses? Nope.
There are 2 who put Z on top, the 2 who saw the fight

From far away. How credible are these witnesses you hold so highly? Has
the prosecution had a chance to examine and ascertain just what they
know and how they know it? Have they done studies to determine whether
or not from where they were, at night, tell exactly what was going on?

Hearsay? Yep!
Nope

Then show me the real evidence that exonerates Zimmerman, it seems to be
missing.

thumper

On 4/17/2012 9:02 AM, wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

Wow, that's quite an extrapolation.

Wayne.B

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:02:01 -0400, wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

===

Wouldn't that be ironic.

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