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BAR[_2_] April 1st 12 02:03 PM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
In article ,
says...

On 3/31/12 8:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X `
wrote:

...I like this, a lot.

Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida

A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting
of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is
keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside
the state than it does Floridians.

According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011,
a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida
law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but
also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector.
The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and
meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman
legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all
those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for
the state.

In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean
Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems
and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with
a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just
90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the
cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal
Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three
percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to
withhold their dollars.

Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered
than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official
about it some time.)

If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after
controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will
have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns
down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the
tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's
government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and,
for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that
fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that
demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State.

By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can
affect change.

There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and
the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation,
neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon.
Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and
non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution
that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life.

HuffPost

Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty.

Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not
even complete.

More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd.


Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent?

Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third
suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the
upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html


But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue
for political gain.



One of the many reasons why I don't take rec.boats seriously: the ****
poor reading comprehension skills of many of the posters, especially the
right wingers.

The original thread in this post called for tourists to consider
boycotting travel to Florida until the state got rid of its outrageous
"stand your ground" law.

The Herring idiot interprets that as "punish florida because zimmerman's
guilty." No, that's not the issue here.

The Canuck idiot is, well, just the usual bat**** crazy Canuck idiot.

Carry on.


You never stay on topic, why do you expect others to do so.


Happy John April 1st 12 02:14 PM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:50:03 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.


No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.


OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's
needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed.


....into the black or the gray water tank?

Oscar April 1st 12 02:27 PM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 9:14 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:50:03 -0400, wrote:

On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.

No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.


OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's
needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed.


....into the black or the gray water tank?


What do you think?

--
http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db

thumper April 1st 12 09:45 PM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote:

The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to
defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd
amendment?


It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense.

BAR[_2_] April 1st 12 11:55 PM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
In article , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote:

The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to
defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd
amendment?


It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense.


Apparently? You need to do some research on the 2nd amendment, beyond
the current position being pushed by the Brady organization.


thumper April 2nd 12 12:47 AM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 3:55 PM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote:

The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to
defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd
amendment?


It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense.


Apparently? You need to do some research on the 2nd amendment, beyond
the current position being pushed by the Brady organization.


Yeah, apparent by the actual quoted text.


JustWait[_2_] April 2nd 12 01:47 AM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:


The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.


The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.


Now that was pretty well said!


I agree.


As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.


No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.


You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot,
spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here..
Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the ****
is your ****ing problem?

JustWait[_2_] April 2nd 12 01:49 AM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 8:50 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All
wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.


No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.


OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's
needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed.


The guy is a total retard.. Can't read, can't understand what he does
manage to read, they makes up stories just to get someone to pay
attention to him. Pathetic...

JustWait[_2_] April 2nd 12 01:50 AM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote:

The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to
defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd
amendment?


It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense.



"It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along.

JustWait[_2_] April 2nd 12 01:52 AM

A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
 
On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote:

...I like this, a lot.

Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida

A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting
of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is
keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside
the state than it does Floridians.

According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011,
a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida
law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but
also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector.
The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and
meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman
legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all
those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for
the state.

In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean
Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems
and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with
a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just
90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the
cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal
Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three
percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to
withhold their dollars.

Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered
than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official
about it some time.)

If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after
controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will
have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns
down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the
tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's
government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and,
for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that
fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that
demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State.

By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can
affect change.

There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and
the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation,
neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon.
Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and
non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution
that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life.

HuffPost

Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty.

Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete.

More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd.


Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent?

Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third
suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the
upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html

But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue
for political gain.


Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the
farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in
here.


You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the
cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it
into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue.


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