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A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... It is what it is. I take it you can't find what I've lied about, like I asked you to. And you also can't find where I said that you and John "said" anything. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/12 10:13 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... Moron. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 10:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... It is what it is. I take it you can't find what I've lied about, like I asked you to. And you also can't find where I said that you and John "said" anything. You have lied about a lot of ****.. You lie every day here about who you are... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 10:15 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/2/12 10:13 AM, JustWait wrote: On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... Moron. Pedophile... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... I NEVER said anything about race. YOU did. And I've never said a word about politics in this case, you and John did. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/2/2012 10:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... It is what it is. I take it you can't find what I've lied about, like I asked you to. And you also can't find where I said that you and John "said" anything. You have lied about a lot of ****.. You lie every day here about who you are... Cite? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/2/2012 10:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... It is what it is. I take it you can't find what I've lied about, like I asked you to. And you also can't find where I said that you and John "said" anything. You have lied about a lot of ****.. You lie every day here about who you are... Cite? Told you before, not gonna' do it to you. It's up to you to man up or not... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... I NEVER said anything about race. YOU did. And I've never said a word about politics in this case, you and John did. If you eliminate race from the discussion, you have no discussion at all... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 4:26 AM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Do you understand the meaning of "shall" and the meaning of "not". Do you understand that the amendment mentions "State" and "people" explicitly. The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" has a specific and direct meaning. If it had been a right granted only to the States then they would not have added the second clause, explicitly identifying the people. I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/2/2012 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/2/2012 10:14 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/2/2012 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. What a dick... It is what it is. I take it you can't find what I've lied about, like I asked you to. And you also can't find where I said that you and John "said" anything. You have lied about a lot of ****.. You lie every day here about who you are... Cite? Told you before, not gonna' do it to you. It's up to you to man up or not... Riiiiiiiight........ YOU called me a liar. Where did I lie? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/2/2012 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/2/2012 9:00 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. Bull****. You were the first one here to make this discussion racial. Bull****, you brought your politics here because it was racial. Otherwise we never would have heard of Zimmerman or Martin... I NEVER said anything about race. YOU did. And I've never said a word about politics in this case, you and John did. If you eliminate race from the discussion, you have no discussion at all... You sure do! Has nothing to do with race. Has to do with an ignorant well known hot head killing an innocent kid. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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forums@ynuu12, says... On Friday, March 30, 2012 10:46:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. The HuffPost? ~snerk~ Unhinged left-wing crap. What about the article do you find not true and why? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article 9332959.182.1333120071151.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynuu12, says... On Friday, March 30, 2012 10:46:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. The HuffPost? ~snerk~ Unhinged left-wing crap. It will be interesting to see what happens to the HuffPost when AOL goes bankrupt. Will Ariana spend her money to get the name out of hock? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , lid says...
On 4/2/2012 4:26 AM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Do you understand the meaning of "shall" and the meaning of "not". Do you understand that the amendment mentions "State" and "people" explicitly. The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" has a specific and direct meaning. If it had been a right granted only to the States then they would not have added the second clause, explicitly identifying the people. I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:22*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: I'll be in the Orlando area after Easter to celebrate my sister's birthday and goof off. I'm really looking forward to it myself. You could knock off some pounds walking in Disney World. Visit everything in Epcot - except the German restaurant. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/2012 2:39 PM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. "*a* free state", clearly meaning the nation, and nothing whatsoever about self defense... I think we've exhausted the discussion. If you don't want to admit the obvious that's cool. ;) By the way, I respect you for your stated opinion on Zimmerman's responsibilities. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , lid says...
On 4/2/2012 2:39 PM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. "*a* free state", clearly meaning the nation, and nothing whatsoever about self defense... I think we've exhausted the discussion. If you don't want to admit the obvious that's cool. ;) "a free state" clearly means one of the several states that are so often referred to in the US Constitution. By the way, I respect you for your stated opinion on Zimmerman's responsibilities. What are you talking about? All I have ever said is that Zimmerman instigated the entire episode by getting out of his car. I never said Zimmerman was responsible for anything nor have I said that Martin is responsible for anything. What I will say is you have a wannabe cop in Zimmereman encountering a wannabe criminal and thug in Martin and the result is that Martin is dead. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/3/2012 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... On 4/2/2012 2:39 PM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. "*a* free state", clearly meaning the nation, and nothing whatsoever about self defense... I think we've exhausted the discussion. If you don't want to admit the obvious that's cool. ;) "a free state" clearly means one of the several states that are so often referred to in the US Constitution. By the way, I respect you for your stated opinion on Zimmerman's responsibilities. What are you talking about? All I have ever said is that Zimmerman instigated the entire episode by getting out of his car. I never said Zimmerman was responsible for anything nor have I said that Martin is responsible for anything. What I will say is you have a wannabe cop in Zimmereman encountering a wannabe criminal and thug in Martin and the result is that Martin is dead. Getting out of the car led to a chain of events that neither the vic. or accused would have anticipated or desired. Everyone except the media, the Brady bunch, and those who make their living on racial disorder is saddened by the incident and what followed. You can argue what the 2nd implies till the cows come home and won't reach a consensus, so why bother. It's like arguing with Harry, who seems to be reading from a script. *You can't get through to him* -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:49:44 -0700, thumper wrote:
On 4/2/2012 2:39 PM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. "*a* free state", clearly meaning the nation, and nothing whatsoever about self defense... I think we've exhausted the discussion. If you don't want to admit the obvious that's cool. ;) By the way, I respect you for your stated opinion on Zimmerman's responsibilities. Why would a 'free state' mean the 'nation'? Surely the authors would have used the word 'nation' if that was there intent. States were in existence at the time. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:22:10 -0400, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:49:44 -0700, thumper wrote: On 4/2/2012 2:39 PM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... I didn't question that. Your original statement questioned why there would be a 2nd amendment at all if not for *self* defense. Explicit in the amendment itself is the answer... "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". It is there to ensure that the states can defend themselves and individuals can defend themselves. "*a* free state", clearly meaning the nation, and nothing whatsoever about self defense... I think we've exhausted the discussion. If you don't want to admit the obvious that's cool. ;) By the way, I respect you for your stated opinion on Zimmerman's responsibilities. Why would a 'free state' mean the 'nation'? Surely the authors would have used the word 'nation' if that was there intent. States were in existence at the time. 'their' intent. Wow, that was bad. |
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