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A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:35:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 3/31/2012 10:52 AM, Oscar wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:21 AM, wrote: What law? Tell me how the Hold-Your-Ground Law even remotely applies in this case. JPS can't. Can you? If Martin sought to confront Zimmerman, you begin to have confusion and contributory stupidity. So, how did we get here? The police chief, Bill Lee refused to pursue charges citing a law that most assuredly DID NOT APPLY. I agree. This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. I am slightly right leaning and I say you are wrong on this point. Not one person here indicated that Martin had it coming, didn't even suggest it. harry has no friends, harry certainly has no right leaning friends, and if he did, they certainly didn't say Martin had it coming. Not even one of them... So you agree that Zimmerman was wrong now, eh? A good friend of someone's made this famous quote. It's very applicable to the sentence above: "WHooooooosh... man you are stupid, Asshole. " |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:29:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. But that's not what FOX told the viewers..... Most of us, excluding yourself of course, don't spend our life watching FOX News. I've no idea what they're saying over there. Apparently you're well versed in it. Good for you, I guess. Take care, Fred. I'll probably plonk you now. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/12 10:38 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:49:07 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/31/12 9:41 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 3/30/12 10:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. No, dummy...punish florida for its law. You mean punish Florida for allowing its citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. The 2nd Amendment and Florida's "stand your ground" law aren't the same thing. The 2nd Amendment does not say you can shoot kids walking through your neighborhood. The "stand your ground" law does, especially when there are no real witnesses around. Where does it say that, Fred? It's there by implication, moron. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, JustWait
wrote: Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. === My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip either literally or figuratively. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/12 11:07 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/31/2012 11:00 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. No one you know thinks. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:51:45 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
Florida's no retreat law has nothing to do with the second amendment. === That is correct. It allows you to meet deadly force with deadly force, whatever that might be - gun, knife, Louisville Slugger, etc. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/12 12:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:51:45 -0400, wrote: Florida's no retreat law has nothing to do with the second amendment. === That is correct. It allows you to meet deadly force with deadly force, whatever that might be - gun, knife, Louisville Slugger, etc. Or a bag of Skittles... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, JustWait wrote: Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. === My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip either literally or figuratively. I've not heard that either, except from liberals supposedly quoting conservatives. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/12 12:37 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, wrote: Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. === My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip either literally or figuratively. I've not heard that either, except from liberals supposedly quoting conservatives. I'm sure, John, that you've convinced all the righties in your life of your intellectual integrity. snerk |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article ,
says... On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:29:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. But that's not what FOX told the viewers..... Most of us, excluding yourself of course, don't spend our life watching FOX News. I've no idea what they're saying over there. Apparently you're well versed in it. Good for you, I guess. Take care, Fred. I'll probably plonk you now. Liar. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article ,
says... On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, JustWait wrote: Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. === My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip either literally or figuratively. I've not heard that either, except from liberals supposedly quoting conservatives. Don't stay up on current events much except to defend Zimmerman when FOX tells you to eh, Asshole? http://randomology.org/2012/03/fox-a...martin-had-it- coming/ http://socialistworker.org/2012/03/2...d-in-the-media |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 12:03 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, wrote: Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. === My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip either literally or figuratively. I had no doubts...:) |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Mar 30, 9:22*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: I'll be in the Orlando area after Easter to celebrate my sister's birthday and goof off. I'm really looking forward to it myself. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. -- Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/12 8:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. One of the many reasons why I don't take rec.boats seriously: the **** poor reading comprehension skills of many of the posters, especially the right wingers. The original thread in this post called for tourists to consider boycotting travel to Florida until the state got rid of its outrageous "stand your ground" law. The Herring idiot interprets that as "punish florida because zimmerman's guilty." No, that's not the issue here. The Canuck idiot is, well, just the usual bat**** crazy Canuck idiot. Carry on. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , lid says...
On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article ,
says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed. -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article ,
says... On 3/31/12 8:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. One of the many reasons why I don't take rec.boats seriously: the **** poor reading comprehension skills of many of the posters, especially the right wingers. The original thread in this post called for tourists to consider boycotting travel to Florida until the state got rid of its outrageous "stand your ground" law. The Herring idiot interprets that as "punish florida because zimmerman's guilty." No, that's not the issue here. The Canuck idiot is, well, just the usual bat**** crazy Canuck idiot. Carry on. You never stay on topic, why do you expect others to do so. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:50:03 -0400, Oscar wrote:
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed. ....into the black or the gray water tank? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 9:14 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:50:03 -0400, wrote: On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed. ....into the black or the gray water tank? What do you think? -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote:
The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 3:55 PM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. Apparently? You need to do some research on the 2nd amendment, beyond the current position being pushed by the Brady organization. Yeah, apparent by the actual quoted text. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 8:50 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed. The guy is a total retard.. Can't read, can't understand what he does manage to read, they makes up stories just to get someone to pay attention to him. Pathetic... |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 8:37 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent? Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss. http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue for political gain. Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in here. You stupid ****... It was a month before Jackson and Sharpton, and the cowards from the New Black Panther Pussies decided they could turn it into a money maker if they just turned it into a black white issue. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 9:31 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "It apparently? Followed by personal speculation, based on a strictly political agenda. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/1/2012 7:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/1/2012 9:31 PM, thumper wrote: On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "It apparently? Followed by personal speculation, based on a strictly political agenda. Why don't you look up the text of the second amendment. apparent: 1) Capable of being seen, or easily seen; open to view; visible to the eye; within sight or view. 2) Clear or manifest to the understanding; plain; evident; obvious; known; palpable; indubitable. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/12 7:26 AM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Do you understand the meaning of "shall" and the meaning of "not". Do you understand that the amendment mentions "State" and "people" explicitly. The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" has a specific and direct meaning. If it had been a right granted only to the States then they would not have added the second clause, explicitly identifying the people. Whatever it means, it surely doesn't mean you can chase down a kid who is carrying an iced tea and a bag of candy and shoot him to death, not without consequences, except maybe in Florida. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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says... On 4/2/12 7:26 AM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Do you understand the meaning of "shall" and the meaning of "not". Do you understand that the amendment mentions "State" and "people" explicitly. The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" has a specific and direct meaning. If it had been a right granted only to the States then they would not have added the second clause, explicitly identifying the people. Whatever it means, it surely doesn't mean you can chase down a kid who is carrying an iced tea and a bag of candy and shoot him to death, not without consequences, except maybe in Florida. Take your political agenda somewhere else asshole. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 4/2/12 7:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In article4qWdnVzZaqnuEuTSnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 4/2/12 7:26 AM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... On 4/1/2012 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/1/2012 4:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:28 AM, BAR wrote: The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? It apparently had more to do with "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" than individual self defense. "It apparently"? LOL, another one who makes it up as he goes along. It is apparent. You have a problem with a literal interpretation of the second amendment? It doesn't mention individual self defense, I'm not making that up. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Do you understand the meaning of "shall" and the meaning of "not". Do you understand that the amendment mentions "State" and "people" explicitly. The clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" has a specific and direct meaning. If it had been a right granted only to the States then they would not have added the second clause, explicitly identifying the people. Whatever it means, it surely doesn't mean you can chase down a kid who is carrying an iced tea and a bag of candy and shoot him to death, not without consequences, except maybe in Florida. Take your political agenda somewhere else asshole. Just count me among the group of everyone who doesn't take you or your demands seriously, moron. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. You know ****head, we never said that, period. You are a ****ing idiot, spending his day sharing his own personal misery with everyone here.. Why the **** do you have to lie all the time? Seriously, what the **** is your ****ing problem? Wow, you need your meds bad! I have no "personal misery". And just what did I "lie" about? I never said you and John "said" anything. I said FOX told you that Zimmerman is innocent. AND that you MUST follow the word of FOX. |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 4/1/2012 8:50 AM, Oscar wrote: On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , lid says... On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote: The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play cop. What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that decision. The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time. Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side. But known facts are known facts. Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid. Now that was pretty well said! I agree. As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying degree. No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and they MUST follow FOX. OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed. The guy is a total retard.. Can't read, can't understand what he does manage to read, they makes up stories just to get someone to pay attention to him. Pathetic... Cite? |
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
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