Floriduh
 

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On Mar 25, 4:12*pm, jps wrote:
The state that elected a crook for governor sets a new standard for
stupidity *and* hypocrisy.

Matthew Dowd, President George W. Bush?s former chief strategist, on
Sunday observed that the same conservative legislatures and governors
who are championing so-called Christian values like prayer in schools
are also pushing for dangerous gun laws that are counter to Christian
teachings.

During a panel on ABC, ?Nightline? anchor Terry Moran noted that
Florida?s ?Stand Your Ground? law gave officials cover to not arrest
neighborhood watch vigilante George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy.

?No other state has a law like this,? Moran explained. ?Not only is it
a ?Stand Your Ground? law ? in the olden days under common law you had
a duty to retreat. ?Stand Your Ground? says, no, you don?t have to.
Florida goes one step farther. ?Stand Your Ground? is self defense ?
defense at trial. It would go to trial where the jury would figure out
what happened.?

?In Florida, the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after
killing someone in public, you can?t even be arrested,? he added.
?It?s why prosecutors and police hated this law. It sabotaged our
justice system. All this discussion we?ve heard ? What did Zimmerman
do? What did Trayvon do? ? Juries are supposed to figure that out. The
Florida law destroys that American system.?

?There is such irony about this,? Dowd agreed. ?Most of the states
that have passed this including Florida and the ?Stand Your Ground?
laws and the expanded gun-ownership laws where you can carry a
concealed weapon are also the same states and the same legislatures
and the same governors who sort of pushed for prayer in the school.?

Dowd continued: ?To me, there is such and irony here, that we want to
be a Christian nation and we want to act in a Christian manner, but
oh, by the way, we don?t believe in the turn your other cheek and we
don?t believe in love your enemy. We believe in loading citizens and
basically giving them an opportunity to shoot people.?

When you see the likes of some of this groups Florida residents,
nothing surprises me.

Just what "this groups Florida residents" is that?

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/26/2012 3:48 AM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, wrote:


I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

Oh, so only the great JPS knows what really happened... BTW, your
version (the new black panther party version) is not supported by the
facts we already have...

So do YOU "know what really happened"? Fact: the kid was unarmed. Fact:
The Sanford police knew Zimmerman well, because he was a hot head that
called the police so frequently that they often completely ignored him.
Another fact to add to that, he'd been reprimanded by the police for
abusing the 911 system. Fact: It took only a few hours for the
regressives to make it political. Fact: If he would have attacked me as
he did the kid, he'd have gotten his ass kicked a whole lot worse. Fact:
Zimmerman never saw the kid commit or attempt to commit a crime, the kid
was simply stalked and harassed. Fact: this Zimmerman, who the
regressives have put on a pedestal is a known abuser of women. He
assaulted his wife.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

There is nothing wrong with the stand your ground law. Ther is something
wrong with Zimmerman.

I agree.

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/26/2012 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching



Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft
drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that
the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to
date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend.

Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman,

If you are seriously threatened on the
street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending
yourself.


What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground
case at all.

The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not
death)"

Zimmerman sustained bodily harm.

How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate
someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the
ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are
consistent with that story.
Witness says
White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and
getting pummeled
Evidence shows
Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE
hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose.

Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call.

I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but
those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when
anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked
Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in
the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric.

It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that
they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we
know now.

Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him?
Was his hoodie dirty?
What was the bullet trajectory?
Are there any more witnesses or even a video?

At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a
shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough
hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far.

I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is
what it would be.


Great level headed write up Greg...

Yeah, we need idiot vigilantes who'll patrol the streets of suburbia and
kill any kid they see with a hoodie and a bag of candy.

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:48:40 -0700, wrote:

All one needs to know is that Zimmerman pursued the eventual victim,
after being told to stand down and wait for police.

Not true. The exact words were "we don't NEED you to do that". There
was never a comment that he shouldn't.


This fat **** needed to stay in his car. A 17 year old kid would be
alive and no one would want to skin his fat ass alive.

If the kid had just kept walking he would be alive too but he chose to
turn around and attack Zimmerman because he did not like the way he
was looking at him.

The kid would have been still been alive is Zimmerman had not gotten out
of his vehicle and pursued the kid. Zimmerman initiated the entire
incident.




Too much bull**** to know that... First off, Zimmerman is not "white" as
the New York Lies suggests, and why do they keep showing three year old
pictures of Martin? Could it be that he is a lot bigger and more
imposing now? The media has not given any of you the facts, that's why
the FBI is in there... Hopefully Holder's racist Dept of Justice for
Black Panthers and associates doesn't get any more involved, that's just
campaign hookeybookey...

"Too much bull**** to know that"? If Zimmerman had not gotten out of his
vehicle and pursued the kid that he wouldn't still be alive????

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching


Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching


Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have
you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what
happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as
I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:10:47 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.


The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.


Of course he says that. And you believe him.


The Sanford Police believe him and a few of us are still willing to
wait to see if the FBI believes him.

It is the people who have already made up their mind that he chased
Martin down and shot him (some even believe, in the back) who are
doing the lynching.

Nobody Believes Martin was shot in the back, but bigots and racists will
say it anyway because it suits their agenda. The hypocrisy is in their
willingness to take away a citizens rights in the name of someone elses...


Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching


Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have
you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what
happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as
I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/2012 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

Hoo boy! ;-(

http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/2012 10:47 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 3/27/2012 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

Hoo boy! ;-(

http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db


S'all right Oscar, remember, these guys don't know what "is", is...

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 10:58 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 10:47 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 3/27/2012 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

Hoo boy! ;-(

http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db


S'all right Oscar, remember, these guys don't know what "is", is...


Funny stuff coming from the most ignorant regular poster on wrecked.boats

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.


Zimmerman is a defendant? When was he arrested and arraigned?

Floriduh
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

Aren't you the little goodie two shoes.
It's looking more and more like this kid jumped Zimmerman and was
smashing his head against the ground.
Just heard an eyewitness saying the kid was on top of Zimmerman and
Zimmerman was crying for help as the witness went to call 911.
And he sounded very credible.
From the sounds I heard on the 911 recordings he was pretty desperate.
I hope they did toxicology testing on the kid's corpse.
Sounds like he was doped up.
Or maybe it was just his natural inclinations.
Whatever the facts bear out, I've never seen more fools jumping to
conclusions.
You're included in that group.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/2012 11:26 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/27/12 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.


Zimmerman is a defendant? When was he arrested and arraigned?

There ya go.

--
http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 10:47 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 3/27/2012 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

Hoo boy! ;-(

http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db


S'all right Oscar, remember, these guys don't know what "is", is...

I know what you wholeheartedly agreed with, while YOU don't.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.

He assaulted his wife, and he has a "record" of abusing the 911 system.
He's so unhinged that the cops usually didn't even respond when he
called about things.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

Aren't you the little goodie two shoes.
It's looking more and more like this kid jumped Zimmerman and was
smashing his head against the ground.
Just heard an eyewitness saying the kid was on top of Zimmerman and
Zimmerman was crying for help as the witness went to call 911.
And he sounded very credible.
From the sounds I heard on the 911 recordings he was pretty desperate.
I hope they did toxicology testing on the kid's corpse.
Sounds like he was doped up.
Or maybe it was just his natural inclinations.
Whatever the facts bear out, I've never seen more fools jumping to
conclusions.
You're included in that group.


What would YOU do if a stranger approached you with a gun in the night
and you had a chance to subdue him?

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
..
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don’t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...

Floriduh
 

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...

I guess you didn't see my reply, eh?

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...


What would YOU do if a stranger approached you with a gun in the night
and you had a chance to subdue him?

Assault the stranger as he walked away and get myself killed?
If I was hopped up - maybe I'd jump him from the back as he appears to
have done. Try to get his gun from him and be a hero. Or killed.
Then again, maybe I'd get off the phone with my girlfriend and punch
911 on it to report the armed stranger to the cops.
Depends.
You would jump the armed stranger as he walked away?
Wait. You're the big judo guy, right?
Always saying you're going to kick somebody's ass?
I guess that's why you thought up such nonsense, Kevin.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
.
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don?t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Here, idiot:

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 12:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...


Zimmerman was clearly told by the police dispatcher to stay in his car.
The transcripts were readily available, and that is one of the
statements that was perfectly clear.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On 3/27/12 12:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...


Zimmerman was clearly told by the police dispatcher to stay in his car.
The transcripts were readily available, and that is one of the
statements that was perfectly clear.

Add to that the numbskulls here haven't realized that the No Duty to
Retreat law could also be the law that finds Martin was doing just that,
so Zimmerman would be able to be prosecuted.

Floriduh
 

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:26:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.


Zimmerman is a defendant? When was he arrested and arraigned?


Oh wow, he's a football star now. Paint him as a big black kid 6'2"
football star.

He was 140 lbs. A skinny kid pursued by a fat **** with a gun.

Floriduh
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:52:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:



The state that elected a crook for governor sets a new standard for
stupidity *and* hypocrisy.

Matthew Dowd, President George W. Bush’s former chief strategist, on
Sunday observed that the same conservative legislatures and governors
who are championing so-called Christian values like prayer in schools
are also pushing for dangerous gun laws that are counter to Christian
teachings.

During a panel on ABC, “Nightline” anchor Terry Moran noted that
Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law gave officials cover to not arrest
neighborhood watch vigilante George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy.

“No other state has a law like this,” Moran explained. “Not only is it
a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law — in the olden days under common law you had
a duty to retreat. ‘Stand Your Ground’ says, no, you don’t have to.
Florida goes one step farther. ‘Stand Your Ground’ is self defense —
defense at trial. It would go to trial where the jury would figure out
what happened.”

“In Florida, the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after
killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested,” he added.
“It’s why prosecutors and police hated this law. It sabotaged our
justice system. All this discussion we’ve heard — What did Zimmerman
do? What did Trayvon do? — Juries are supposed to figure that out. The
Florida law destroys that American system.”

“There is such irony about this,” Dowd agreed. “Most of the states
that have passed this including Florida and the ‘Stand Your Ground’
laws and the expanded gun-ownership laws where you can carry a
concealed weapon are also the same states and the same legislatures
and the same governors who sort of pushed for prayer in the school.”

Dowd continued: “To me, there is such and irony here, that we want to
be a Christian nation and we want to act in a Christian manner, but
oh, by the way, we don’t believe in the turn your other cheek and we
don’t believe in love your enemy. We believe in loading citizens and
basically giving them an opportunity to shoot people.”

First of all, it is no surprise that you are all over this and that
you are twisting the facts and mis-stating reality to fit your
anti-gun mania.

Second, I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a
claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even
be arrested"

Third, I'd like for you to explain how " Juries are supposed to figure
that out," before or during the fact. Maybe you think the way this
should be handled is to let the criminal kill somebody and their
family and then let the lawyers fight it out in court. Personally,
I'll use my gun and then take my chances at being judged by 12 rather
than carried by 6. You can chose the opposite, if you wish.

Finally, If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show
how the "Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in
that case.

I haven't twisted anything. The above recounting was a transcript of
an interchange on a news program that featured GW Bush's former cheif
strategist, who rightfully called out these bogus christians for
promoting laws that protect people using guns to kill others.

That was the only point.

Feel free to lose your mind and connect whatever point you think I'm
making to your fantasy scenarios but I won't be wasting my time
arguing with your lame attempt at debate.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Floriduh
 

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:45:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
.
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don?t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Here, idiot:

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said


How do you know?

At least you're not putting words in the cop's mouth any more.

There used to be a guy here named Kevin who did the same stupid ****. He was a name-caller also.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

Go ahead and apologize for making up a story about what the police said,. Quoting something you read
somewhere does not make your statement true.

Floriduh
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:06:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 3/27/12 12:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

That is Plum's MO...


Zimmerman was clearly told by the police dispatcher to stay in his car.
The transcripts were readily available, and that is one of the
statements that was perfectly clear.

No he wasn't. Go read the transcripts for yourself. You're as bad as that guy that sounds like Kevin
= making up ****.

Floriduh
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant

Zimmerman was the instigator of the entire event.

The state has to prove it is not true.

The state doesn't have to prove anything until he is indicted.

We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

You don't know what Martin's intentions were, maybe they were to
ascertain why Zimmerman was pursuing Martin.

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

Fat guy's with BMIs of over 36 pursue if they have a hero complex, which
Zimmerman appears to have had based upon his near constant contact with
the PD.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me."

The kid was under no obligation to say anything. Zimmerman was and is a
nobody, beyond being a killer.

Floriduh
 

In article 23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.

Floriduh
 

On 3/27/12 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.


No need to project.