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Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
The subject line says it all, and here's a well considered analysis with something for everyone: http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/energy/articles/gas-prices-gas-prices-going-up/3/15/2012/id/39912?page=1 |
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Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
On Mar 17, 10:01*am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:31:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc. The subject line says it all, and here's a well considered analysis with something for everyone: http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/energy/articles/gas-prices-gas-pri.... Reading between the lines, it is pretty clear. Our prices are high as hell because the American oil companies are idling refineries and sending ever increasing quantities of oil overseas. No point in drill, drill, drill, if the American consumer is prevented from benefiting from it. If you want something that is job-killing, there it is. Up here a previous Liberal Government bought out the old FINA gas company and launched a new government owned oil company... Petro Canada. We all payed a few cents a liter extra at the pump to fund this venture. The idea was to provide some real competion to mostly American run major players. As soon as a Conservative government got back in, they sold Petro Canada of to investors... and I don't recall getting one red cent for my involuntary investment included in every liter of gas I burnt. |
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Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
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says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote: Have you ever heard of Ethanol. A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly anybody else, but a mechanic. If you actually owned a boat, you would know that. We've beat that horse to death here in this news group. But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel. You conveniently deleted that part of the thread. Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our enemies? Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's? http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html |
Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
On 17/03/2012 7:30 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:31:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc. The subject line says it all, and here's a well considered analysis with something for everyone: http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/energy/articles/gas-prices-gas-prices-going-up/3/15/2012/id/39912?page=1 Reading between the lines, it is pretty clear. Our prices are high as hell because the American oil companies are idling refineries and sending ever increasing quantities of oil overseas. No point in drill, drill, drill, if the American consumer is prevented from benefiting from it. Why shouldn't we have people employed in the oil drilling field? Why shouldn't we have be selling our oil to those overseas? Why should the middle east get all of the money for the oil when we can undercut the price by a couple of points? You do not understand competition. If you want something that is job-killing, there it is. Yes, letting the overseas suppliers profit from the sale of their oil at the expense of us not selling our oil. USA is a net consumer of oil. Hate to bust your fallacy on this. -- RECESSION is when your neighbor loses their job. DEPRESSION is when you lose your job. RECOVERY is when 0banma loses his job. |
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On 19/03/2012 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:49:27 -0600, wrote: On 17/03/2012 7:30 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:31:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc. The subject line says it all, and here's a well considered analysis with something for everyone: http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/energy/articles/gas-prices-gas-prices-going-up/3/15/2012/id/39912?page=1 Reading between the lines, it is pretty clear. Our prices are high as hell because the American oil companies are idling refineries and sending ever increasing quantities of oil overseas. No point in drill, drill, drill, if the American consumer is prevented from benefiting from it. Why shouldn't we have people employed in the oil drilling field? Why shouldn't we have be selling our oil to those overseas? Why should the middle east get all of the money for the oil when we can undercut the price by a couple of points? You do not understand competition. If you want something that is job-killing, there it is. Yes, letting the overseas suppliers profit from the sale of their oil at the expense of us not selling our oil. USA is a net consumer of oil. Hate to bust your fallacy on this. Nothing he has said, yet, made any sense. A general problem today. Far too many bu11sh1ters say too much. As George Carlin would say, "...just more bu11sh1t." Capital depreciation on the iron rot of a vehicle is more than people will spend in fuel. -- RECESSION is when your neighbor loses their job. DEPRESSION is when you lose your job. RECOVERY is when 0banma loses his job. |
Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
In article ,
says... On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:02:52 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote: Have you ever heard of Ethanol. A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly anybody else, but a mechanic. If you actually owned a boat, you would know that. We've beat that horse to death here in this news group. But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel. You conveniently deleted that part of the thread. Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our enemies? Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's? http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html Why don't you just admit you don't have a point? Your link only mentions ETBE, during those years, which was used some in France and in Japan and NOT in the US. "1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile, the quadricycle, to run on pure ethanol." "1908 The first Ford Motor Company automobile, Henry Ford's Model T, was designed to use corn alcohol, called ethanol. The Model T ran on (ethanol) alcohol, fuel or a combination of the two fuels." "1940's First U.S. fuel ethanol plant built. The U.S. Army built and operated an ethanol plant in Omaha, Nebraska, to produce fuel for the army and to provide ethanol for regional fuel blending." You never framed the argument to be only within the contiguous 48 states. |
Boating, Fuel Prices, Speculators, Politics, etc.
In article ,
says... On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:52:42 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:02:52 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote: Have you ever heard of Ethanol. A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly anybody else, but a mechanic. If you actually owned a boat, you would know that. We've beat that horse to death here in this news group. But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel. You conveniently deleted that part of the thread. Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our enemies? Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's? http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html Why don't you just admit you don't have a point? Your link only mentions ETBE, during those years, which was used some in France and in Japan and NOT in the US. "1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile, the quadricycle, to run on pure ethanol." "1908 The first Ford Motor Company automobile, Henry Ford's Model T, was designed to use corn alcohol, called ethanol. The Model T ran on (ethanol) alcohol, fuel or a combination of the two fuels." "1940's First U.S. fuel ethanol plant built. The U.S. Army built and operated an ethanol plant in Omaha, Nebraska, to produce fuel for the army and to provide ethanol for regional fuel blending." You never framed the argument to be only within the contiguous 48 states. You also missed the boat where alcohol was dismissed as a fuel additive in favor of TEL in the 1920's. That is irrelevant to the discussion. Alcohol was not used as a fuel from the 40's to the 70's because the cost of gasoline was so low. The argument was whether the US used alcohol as a fuel in the 70's and the 80's. The answer is: "No, the US didn't." Your argument was about grain based fuels in the 70's and 80's. My argument was about selling US products to anyone who wanted to buy them. Money is money. Quit wiggling around and trying to find a way out. You remind me of Romney and you are way out of your league. Grain based fuels have been around for quite a long time, ever since Ford built his first car. |
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