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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

Have you ever heard of Ethanol.

A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly
anybody else, but a mechanic.

If you actually owned a boat, you would know that.

We've beat that horse to death here in this news group.

But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel.

You conveniently deleted that part of the thread.

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

Have you ever heard of Ethanol.

A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly
anybody else, but a mechanic.

If you actually owned a boat, you would know that.

We've beat that horse to death here in this news group.

But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel.

You conveniently deleted that part of the thread.

Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's
all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our
enemies?

Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much
ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's?

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:02:52 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

Have you ever heard of Ethanol.

A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly
anybody else, but a mechanic.

If you actually owned a boat, you would know that.

We've beat that horse to death here in this news group.

But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel.

You conveniently deleted that part of the thread.

Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's
all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our
enemies?

Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much
ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's?

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html


Why don't you just admit you don't have a point? Your link only
mentions ETBE, during those years, which was used some in France and
in Japan and NOT in the US.

"1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile, the quadricycle, to run on
pure ethanol."

"1908 The first Ford Motor Company automobile, Henry Ford's Model T, was
designed to use corn alcohol, called ethanol. The Model T ran on
(ethanol) alcohol, fuel or a combination of the two fuels."

"1940's First U.S. fuel ethanol plant built. The U.S. Army built and
operated an ethanol plant in Omaha, Nebraska, to produce fuel for the
army and to provide ethanol for regional fuel blending."

You never framed the argument to be only within the contiguous 48
states.

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:52:42 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:02:52 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:44:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

Have you ever heard of Ethanol.

A truly awful fuel, whether you are a consumer, a greenie, or nearly
anybody else, but a mechanic.

If you actually owned a boat, you would know that.

We've beat that horse to death here in this news group.

But it blows your argument that we don't use grain for fuel.

You conveniently deleted that part of the thread.

Do you care who we sell American grain to? We sold it to the Soviet's
all through the 70's and 80's. Were we giving aid comfort to our
enemies?

Then, by all means, let me add that back in. So, tell me, how much
ethanol were we making and using as fuel in the 70's and 80's?

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html


Why don't you just admit you don't have a point? Your link only
mentions ETBE, during those years, which was used some in France and
in Japan and NOT in the US.

"1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile, the quadricycle, to run on
pure ethanol."

"1908 The first Ford Motor Company automobile, Henry Ford's Model T, was
designed to use corn alcohol, called ethanol. The Model T ran on
(ethanol) alcohol, fuel or a combination of the two fuels."

"1940's First U.S. fuel ethanol plant built. The U.S. Army built and
operated an ethanol plant in Omaha, Nebraska, to produce fuel for the
army and to provide ethanol for regional fuel blending."

You never framed the argument to be only within the contiguous 48
states.


You also missed the boat where alcohol was dismissed as a fuel
additive in favor of TEL in the 1920's.

That is irrelevant to the discussion.

Alcohol was not used as a fuel from the 40's to the 70's because the
cost of gasoline was so low.

The argument was whether the US used alcohol as a fuel in the 70's and
the 80's. The answer is: "No, the US didn't."

Your argument was about grain based fuels in the 70's and 80's.

My argument was about selling US products to anyone who wanted to buy
them. Money is money.

Quit wiggling around and trying to find a way out. You remind me of
Romney and you are way out of your league.

Grain based fuels have been around for quite a long time, ever since
Ford built his first car.