On 1/8/12 9:45 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X `
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..


Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?



Another case of "Cherchez la femme..."?

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..


Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

On Jan 8, 8:20*am, JustWait wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:10 AM, jps wrote:





On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:55:15 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:

Navy SEAL dies after accidentally shooting himself
The Associated Press
Published Saturday, Jan. 07, 2012

SAN DIEGO -- Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who
accidentally shot himself in the head has died.

Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Frank Magallon tells the U-T San Diego that
Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene "Geno" Clayont, Jr. was taken off life
support on Saturday. He is survived by his parents and three sisters.

San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say
Clayton had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and
was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was
unloaded, and pulled the trigger.

Paramedics took Clayton to a San Diego hospital where he was placed on
life support.

- - -

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

Uh oh, does that mean that if someone who shot someone else has ever
been active in the Navy of Coast Guard, I can post about it?

Or if a gun that's used in the Navy was used in the commission of a
crime, I can post about it?

How about navy bean soup? *Is that boating related?

Do whatever the **** you want.... nobody but you and slammer want it
"boats" only.

Dont get mad at me, cause you're mad at her. Yes, I DO want it " boat-
related only".... After all, this IS a Boating Newsgroup.

On 1/8/2012 10:38 AM, *e#c wrote:
On Jan 8, 8:20 am, wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:10 AM, jps wrote:





On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:55:15 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Navy SEAL dies after accidentally shooting himself
The Associated Press
Published Saturday, Jan. 07, 2012

SAN DIEGO -- Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who
accidentally shot himself in the head has died.

Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Frank Magallon tells the U-T San Diego that
Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene "Geno" Clayont, Jr. was taken off life
support on Saturday. He is survived by his parents and three sisters.

San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say
Clayton had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and
was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was
unloaded, and pulled the trigger.

Paramedics took Clayton to a San Diego hospital where he was placed on
life support.

- - -

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

Uh oh, does that mean that if someone who shot someone else has ever
been active in the Navy of Coast Guard, I can post about it?

Or if a gun that's used in the Navy was used in the commission of a
crime, I can post about it?

How about navy bean soup? Is that boating related?

Do whatever the **** you want.... nobody but you and slammer want it
"boats" only.

Dont get mad at me, cause you're mad at her. Yes, I DO want it " boat-
related only".... After all, this IS a Boating Newsgroup.

Not mad at anybody... Just noting that you and he are the only ones who
feel it should be boats only...

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:38:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote:

On Jan 8, 8:20*am, JustWait wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:10 AM, jps wrote:





On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:55:15 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:

Navy SEAL dies after accidentally shooting himself
The Associated Press
Published Saturday, Jan. 07, 2012

SAN DIEGO -- Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who
accidentally shot himself in the head has died.

Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Frank Magallon tells the U-T San Diego that
Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene "Geno" Clayont, Jr. was taken off life
support on Saturday. He is survived by his parents and three sisters.

San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say
Clayton had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and
was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was
unloaded, and pulled the trigger.

Paramedics took Clayton to a San Diego hospital where he was placed on
life support.

- - -

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

Uh oh, does that mean that if someone who shot someone else has ever
been active in the Navy of Coast Guard, I can post about it?

Or if a gun that's used in the Navy was used in the commission of a
crime, I can post about it?

How about navy bean soup? *Is that boating related?

Do whatever the **** you want.... nobody but you and slammer want it
"boats" only.

Dont get mad at me, cause you're mad at her. Yes, I DO want it " boat-
related only".... After all, this IS a Boating Newsgroup.

The first priority ought to be 'socialability'.

On Jan 8, 8:54*am, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..

Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. * Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. * Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

There;s been records of people playing stupid with themselves, though.
Especially actors. Some that come to mind was Brandon Lee, Jon-Erik
Hexum, and Pete Duel.

Then there's James Freiberger.

SIERRA VISTA — Drugs and alcohol both were factors in the death of a
man who authorities say accidentally shot himself at a party in
Tombstone on Friday.

James Freiberger, 36, of Sierra Vista died after taking a .357-caliber
revolver from a friend who was showing him the gun and, thinking it
was unloaded, put it to his head and pulled the trigger, said
Tombstone Marshal Billy Cloud.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:36:47 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 8, 8:54*am, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..

Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. * Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. * Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

There;s been records of people playing stupid with themselves, though.
Especially actors. Some that come to mind was Brandon Lee, Jon-Erik
Hexum, and Pete Duel.

Then there's James Freiberger.

SIERRA VISTA — Drugs and alcohol both were factors in the death of a
man who authorities say accidentally shot himself at a party in
Tombstone on Friday.

James Freiberger, 36, of Sierra Vista died after taking a .357-caliber
revolver from a friend who was showing him the gun and, thinking it
was unloaded, put it to his head and pulled the trigger, said
Tombstone Marshal Billy Cloud.

If you're gonna do it, might as well do it with a .357, right?

On 1/8/12 2:20 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:36:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 8:54 am, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X `
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..

Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

There;s been records of people playing stupid with themselves, though.
Especially actors. Some that come to mind was Brandon Lee, Jon-Erik
Hexum, and Pete Duel.

Then there's James Freiberger.

SIERRA VISTA — Drugs and alcohol both were factors in the death of a
man who authorities say accidentally shot himself at a party in
Tombstone on Friday.

James Freiberger, 36, of Sierra Vista died after taking a .357-caliber
revolver from a friend who was showing him the gun and, thinking it
was unloaded, put it to his head and pulled the trigger, said
Tombstone Marshal Billy Cloud.

If you're gonna do it, might as well do it with a .357, right?

How can you not tell a revolver is loaded? You don't look at it?

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:43:27 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 1/8/12 2:20 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:36:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 8:54 am, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X `
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..

Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

There;s been records of people playing stupid with themselves, though.
Especially actors. Some that come to mind was Brandon Lee, Jon-Erik
Hexum, and Pete Duel.

Then there's James Freiberger.

SIERRA VISTA — Drugs and alcohol both were factors in the death of a
man who authorities say accidentally shot himself at a party in
Tombstone on Friday.

James Freiberger, 36, of Sierra Vista died after taking a .357-caliber
revolver from a friend who was showing him the gun and, thinking it
was unloaded, put it to his head and pulled the trigger, said
Tombstone Marshal Billy Cloud.

If you're gonna do it, might as well do it with a .357, right?

How can you not tell a revolver is loaded? You don't look at it?

If one is stupid enough to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger, he was too stupid to know
what the business end of a bullet looks like.

On Jan 8, 1:20*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:36:47 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 8, 8:54*am, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:45:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:08:55 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I'm not looking for a discussion/argument about guns. I just don't
believe this story. I don't believe someone trained as thoroughly with
firearms as a Navy Seal would *accidentally* shoot himself or anyone
else, or wouldn't know that his firearm was loaded.

I agree that the odds of that happening are very VERY slim, but there
is that chance that it could have happened, but I'd be suspicious as
well..

Everyone is taught to assume a gun is loaded unless you personally check
and see that it isn't.

===

All we know for sure is that in addition to the gun, alcohol and a
woman were involved. * Dangerous combination, perfectly capable of
cancelling out a lot of good training. * Have you ever known anyone
who got smarter when they were drinking and/or trying to impress a
woman?

I'd probably find the story a little more believable if the woman had 'accidentally' shot the SEAL,
or vice-versa.

I gotta agree with Harry on this one. But, booze can do some strange stuff, I guess. I haven't had
any in so long I don't know what the new stuff is like!

There;s been records of people playing stupid with themselves, though.
Especially actors. Some that come to mind was Brandon Lee, Jon-Erik
Hexum, and Pete Duel.

Then there's James Freiberger.

SIERRA VISTA — Drugs and alcohol both were factors in the death of a
man who authorities say accidentally shot himself at a party in
Tombstone on Friday.

James Freiberger, 36, of Sierra Vista died after taking a .357-caliber
revolver from a friend who was showing him the gun and, thinking it
was unloaded, put it to his head and pulled the trigger, said
Tombstone Marshal Billy Cloud.

If you're gonna do it, might as well do it with a .357, right?

Well, it HAS proven to be pretty effective.