http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...arine-engines/

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...arine-engines/

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage. But you have no liberty, you will buy what the government
tells you to buy.

Hazards of big fat interfering government.

No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

On Jan 1, 10:22*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. *Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

On 1/2/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.

Why would fuel mileage be down at a high altitude?


Just the opposite, no? Doesn't the 02 sensor detect exhaust gasses
getting richer as the oxygen in the air thins out, and therefore the
system drops back on the amount of gasoline burned so as to maintain the
proper mixture? If there is less oxygen and you burn less fuel, you get
less power but more miles per gallon? Alas, I am a mere English major,
so I doubt my "understanding" of the physics is correct.

On 1/2/2012 1:12 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/2/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...


Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.

Why would fuel mileage be down at a high altitude?


Just the opposite, no? Doesn't the 02 sensor detect exhaust gasses
getting richer as the oxygen in the air thins out, and therefore the
system drops back on the amount of gasoline burned so as to maintain the
proper mixture? If there is less oxygen and you burn less fuel, you get
less power but more miles per gallon? Alas, I am a mere English major,
so I doubt my "understanding" of the physics is correct.








Just a guess would suggest that the small engine and low horsepower
doesn't allow for a lot of adjustment aside from being set for "normal"
air pressure and O2 concentration so it can't adjust far enough to
achieve "optimum" fuel to horsepower ratios. A rich mixture, like a lean
mixture, will not burn as efficiently...

On 02/01/2012 11:12 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/2/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...


Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.

Why would fuel mileage be down at a high altitude?


Just the opposite, no? Doesn't the 02 sensor detect exhaust gasses
getting richer as the oxygen in the air thins out, and therefore the
system drops back on the amount of gasoline burned so as to maintain the
proper mixture? If there is less oxygen and you burn less fuel, you get
less power but more miles per gallon? Alas, I am a mere English major,
so I doubt my "understanding" of the physics is correct.

Let us go to the extreme to see if you get the point. Lets put a
reciprocating engine without an oxygen supply 1/2 way between here and
the moon.

Does it run? If not, why not? No gases to expand and push? No oxygen?
Bingo.

Generally, the higher the altitude the less fuel effluence the
reciprocating engines become.

--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

On 1/2/12 8:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:12:47 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 1/2/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.

Why would fuel mileage be down at a high altitude?


Just the opposite, no? Doesn't the 02 sensor detect exhaust gasses
getting richer as the oxygen in the air thins out, and therefore the
system drops back on the amount of gasoline burned so as to maintain the
proper mixture? If there is less oxygen and you burn less fuel, you get
less power but more miles per gallon? Alas, I am a mere English major,
so I doubt my "understanding" of the physics is correct.






You are correct! Between the O2 sensor and the Mass Flow Sensor, less
fuel will be fed to the engine to maintain the correct stochiometric
mixture. Summer and high altitude contribute to better fuel mileage,
though not necessarily maximum horsepower.


I am correct? Scary. :)

On 1/2/2012 8:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:12:47 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 1/2/12 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 01/01/2012 9:38 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:22 pm, wrote:
On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...nt-of-energy-e...

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage.

Oh I knew about it 10 years ago, but some people here might not see a
problem with it.

It's not good stuff especially for carburetor type engines.

While I think fuel injected engines handle it better, they too suffer.
I am in a high altitude area, and fuel millage is up but it should be
down. I suspect it is because we get the 100% gasoline.

But I am sure some congress people invested in ethanol.

Why would fuel mileage be down at a high altitude?


Just the opposite, no? Doesn't the 02 sensor detect exhaust gasses
getting richer as the oxygen in the air thins out, and therefore the
system drops back on the amount of gasoline burned so as to maintain the
proper mixture? If there is less oxygen and you burn less fuel, you get
less power but more miles per gallon? Alas, I am a mere English major,
so I doubt my "understanding" of the physics is correct.






You are correct! Between the O2 sensor and the Mass Flow Sensor, less
fuel will be fed to the engine to maintain the correct stochiometric
mixture. Summer and high altitude contribute to better fuel mileage,
though not necessarily maximum horsepower.

The O2 sensor is a "differentiator", which is to say it develops an
electrical charge based on the "difference" between external and
internal oxygen levels... Like I said before on such small engines there
isn't a lot of room for adjustment by the computer anyway, not to
mention the computer may not really have the capability to fully come to
a "zero or null base" to work it's calculations off of because of the
contradictory information coming from the MAP (manifold pressure)
sensor, and the O2... Just sayin'...

On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:22:17 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:

On 01/01/2012 8:26 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/...arine-engines/

Yeah the article is 3 mo. old but it looks like the E15 is wrecking
havoc on even some 4-stroke marine engines.

I shudder the thought of what it would do to my chainsaws too.

Could have told you that 10 years ago. Real gas burns better and does
less damage. But you have no liberty, you will buy what the government
tells you to buy.

Hazards of big fat interfering government.

No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

Give us a break for a year. We *know* what we have for government!