All you need to know about mute swans
 

Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?
The Swan Management Plan, released in April 2003, is a culmination of
multi-year study by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources (DNR)
of the impacts of the mute swan. The Plan provides direction and
objectives for the Department to manage this overabundant species
through 2008 including recommendations to reduce the current mute swan
population. The overwhelming scientific evidence indicates that
immediate, lethal action must be taken before mute swan populations
continue to proliferate and irreversibly damage the Chesapeake Bay. The
plan is available on line.

Do any other organizations support the Swan Management Plan?
The Plan has been supported and endorsed by local and national
environmental groups; including the National Audubon Society, the
Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the Severn River Association, the South River
Federation, the American Bird Conservancy, the Wildlife Management
Institute and numerous other organizations. These constituent groups
recognize the benefits this plan will have on other species and the
Chesapeake Bay as a whole.

Why do biologists believe it is necessary to kill mute swans?
Although non-lethal methods to control population growth will continue
to be used, lethal control is necessary to reduce the population. The
quickest–and most humane–way to effect a 67 percent reduction of the
population is to decrease adult survivorship by killing adult birds.
Because of the mute swan's high reproductive potential and long life
spans, traditional alternative control methods–such as addling eggs to
suppress recruitment of young–are not effective in reducing populations.
Non-lethal techniques such as harassment, exclusionary devices, and
behavioral modification generally have limited effectiveness and are
suitable only for site-specific situations involving problem individuals
or flocks.

Why can’t you just destroy the eggs or use birth control?
Wildlife Managers have been addling (preventing hatching of) mute swan
eggs and this has slowed the rate of population growth. This practice
will continue, however, egg addling alone will not lead to a significant
reduction in swan numbers.

Using birth control on adult swans requires a surgical procedure, and it
is simply impractical and too costly. Even if we used our entire budget
for no other purpose, we could not capture and sterilize all of the mute
swans.

Why can’t you capture the mute swan for re-locate them?
It is impractical to place the swans in zoos, parks, and retirement
homes and DNR does not have the resources to capture, pinion, sterilize
and find homes for hundreds, let alone thousands of these birds.

We cannot send them somewhere else either. Given the mute swan does not
have a natural predator, they are overpopulating and damaging every area
that they become established, in Europe as well as in North America. For
example, in the Great Lakes area, mute swans are devouring native wild
rice, destroying so much of this ethno botanically important plant that
the Ottawa Nation has initiated a mute swan control effort.

What will happen if we don’t do anything about the Mute Swan?
Mute swans have a tremendous reproductive capacity and no natural
predators. There were only 200 mute swans on the Chesapeake on the
1970’s. Without action, biologists believe that the current population
of 3600 birds could exceed 20,000 in ten years. If this should happen,
it may be impossible to restore SAV in the Chesapeake Bay. Native water
birds and waterfowl would suffer, and the many aquatic species that
depend upon the Bay’s wild grass beds to survive; crabs, seahorses,
rockfish, and many more; would lose their homes.

Aren't mute swans legally protected in the United States?
Yes. Mute swans have been officially recognized as Federally protected
in the U.S. since December 28, 2001. On that date, the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit Court ruled that, as swans
and members of the waterbird family Anatidae, mute swans were protected
by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The MBTA provides strong measures for
the protection and conservation of migratory birds, while at the same
time providing opportunities for people to use the migratory bird
resource for sport, recreation, and scientific endeavors. The MBTA also
provides considerable flexibility for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service–the primary Federal agency responsible for migratory bird
management–to implement actions to address situations in which birds may
come into conflict with human interests, as in the case of mute swans.
(http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/)

What management action is the Fish and Wildlife Service proposing for
mute swans?
The Fish and Wildlife Service's preferred alternative is to adopt an
integrated population management approach, which would authorize a suite
of lethal and non-lethal methods to address a variety of problems caused
by an increased abundance of mute swans. Lethal methods would include
shooting with firearms and/or live-trapping followed by euthanasia, plus
egg addling to reduce production of young. Non-lethal methods would
include pinioning and sterilization, harassment, exclusion, behavioral
modification, and capture and relocation. Most of these actions could be
conducted only upon receipt of a depredation permit issued by the Fish
and Wildlife Service. The goals will be to reduce existing populations
and prevent further range expansion. (http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/)
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All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

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1-20-13 The end of an error

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 2:59 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.


Well ****in' said...

All you need to know about mute swans
 

In article ,
says...

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

What is your solution then?

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 3:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

What is your solution then?

Are you kidding. Krause never has a solution, but you have to give him
credit for thinking abstractly.

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All you need to know about mute swans
 

In article om, .
@..com says...

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

Well, we all know how lazy the fat ass is, but I think he won't go out
in the woods to view wildlife because he's a coward.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 3:21 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, .
@..com says...

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

Well, we all know how lazy the fat ass is, but I think he won't go out
in the woods to view wildlife because he's a coward.

Yes, I do recall that he is so afraid of dogs in the woods, that he
locks and loads a pistola or two, when he has to go into the woods.

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All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:59:24 -0500, Drifter wrote:

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

It is totally unnecessary to call Krause nasty names in the hopes of making him appear less of a
person.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/11 8:24 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:59:24 -0500, wrote:

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

It is totally unnecessary to call Krause nasty names in the hopes of making him appear less of a
person.


As if I am concerned about the opinions of a pair of mooks whose only
interest is themselves.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 8:22 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

How do they taste?

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/18/2011 8:24 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:59:24 -0500, wrote:

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

It is totally unnecessary to call Krause nasty names in the hopes of making him appear less of a
person.
You're right. He takes care of his image without need of outside assistance.
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All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Dec 18, 7:22*pm, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?

The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:34:23 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

As if I am concerned about the opinions of a pair of mooks whose only
interest is themselve.

===

But it would be nice to raise the level of discussion by a notch or
two.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 12:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:34:23 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

As if I am concerned about the opinions of a pair of mooks whose only
interest is themselve.

===

But it would be nice to raise the level of discussion by a notch or
two.

Why bother with the likes of flajim and herring "wild childing" it here?

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.



I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:34:23 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 8:24 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:59:24 -0500, wrote:

On 12/18/2011 2:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Get off your little soap box you fripping idiot. I only lifted
information on what agencies in your area are advocating. The swans are
a menace caused by citizens like you who won't leave wildlife be. How's
that "Pet" bobcat of yours doing. Or the wildlife you attract to your
yard with food that is probably not healthy for the poor critters. You
do this because you are too fat and lazy to go out in the woods to view
the animals in their own habitat. Choke on that you repulsive piece of
****e.

It is totally unnecessary to call Krause nasty names in the hopes of making him appear less of a
person.


As if I am concerned about the opinions of a pair of mooks whose only
interest is themselves.

Whoooooosh!

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:37:48 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2011 8:22 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?


The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

How do they taste?

Don't know. But, you'd want to get them when the embryo's pretty small, I'd reckon.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Dec 18, 7:22*pm, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?

The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

All well and good in New Zealand. Here we have folks who think these things should be 'protected',
even though they're destroying, by the many acres, the habitat of species essential to the bay. The
friggin' swans are *not* essential to the bay, except in the heads of a few.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:12:49 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.



I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

I am glad to have had this discussion with you. I've always wondered about the source of your
bitterness. Now I can see you despise mankind. Knowing you are in that category must be extremely
painful to you.

That's a shame.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Dec 19, 9:03*am, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Dec 18, 7:22*pm, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?

The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay..
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

All well and good in New Zealand. Here we have folks who think these things should be 'protected',
even though they're destroying, by the many acres, the habitat of species essential to the bay. The
friggin' swans are *not* essential to the bay, except in the heads of a few.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So.. here we are a few days before Christmas and all you can think
about is slaughtering some of God's creatures because they
inconvenience you?
Just what kind of pseudo Christian do you claim to be?

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:13:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:03*am, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Dec 18, 7:22*pm, Happy JH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/18/11 2:39 PM, Drifter wrote:
Have studies been completed on how best to deal with the mute swan?

The point, dumbfoch, is not that the swans are deleterious to the Bay.
No one is disputing that. The point is that once again our resident
righties are jumping on the bandwagon of "kill, kill, kill" to get rid
of a problem we created.

Was there ever a time when you boys or your ancestors could think in the
abstract, or is that just anathema to the right wing?

Maybe we should load them on buses, take 'em to the airport, and fly them back to Germany?

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

All well and good in New Zealand. Here we have folks who think these things should be 'protected',
even though they're destroying, by the many acres, the habitat of species essential to the bay. The
friggin' swans are *not* essential to the bay, except in the heads of a few.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So.. here we are a few days before Christmas and all you can think
about is slaughtering some of God's creatures because they
inconvenience you?
Just what kind of pseudo Christian do you claim to be?

Donnie, can you read?

Did I say something about 'me' being inconvenienced? Read something for a change before opening your
mouth.

"Why are mute swans considered to be invasive?

A large mute swan population threatens the protection and restoration of underwater bay grasses, a
vital part of the Bay's ecosystem. Mute swans feed almost exclusively on bay grasses: each adult
consumes more than 8 pounds daily and pulls whole plants up by the roots or rhizomes. Bay grass
restoration efforts have been frequently hindered by feeding mute swans.

Mute swans also compete with native Bay species for food and habitat.

Breeding mute swans will vigorously defend their nests from intrusion by other swans, ducks or
geese. They can attack and displace native waterfowl from their breeding areas, and may even kill
the intruding pair or their young.
Because mute swans do not migrate, they continuously feed on bay grasses during the summer
flowering and growing periods. This reduces the amount of grasses available for migratory waterfowl,
including Atlantic brants and redhead, canvasback, American widgeon and black ducks. Populations of
many of these species have declined in the Bay due to a lack of available food.
In Maryland, wintering tundra swans have declined 40 percent in the past five years, coinciding
with the rapid increase in mute swans. Mute swan pairs have been observed driving tundra swans from
foraging areas and protected covers used for wintering shelter.
General Info
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The mute swan (Cygnus olor) is an invasive, non-native species that was introduced to the Bay region
for its ornamental value; however, the birds have had an increasingly disruptive effect on the
ecology of the Bay. A large population of mute swans presents major challenges to meeting
restoration and protection goals for the Bay's native aquatic life, including waterfowl and
underwater bay grasses.

How were mute swans introduced to the Bay watershed?

Mute swans were introduced to North America in the late 1800s as decorations for parks, zoos and
private estates. Between 1910 and 1912, over 500 mute swans were imported from Europe and Asia.
However, a small number of these birds escaped into the wild.

The first wild mute swans were seen in the Bay watershed in Pennsylvania in the 1930s. They were
spotted in Maryland in 1954; in Virginia in the mid-1950s; and in Delaware in 1958. Wild populations
became established in Maryland and Virginia in the 1960s, and have increased drastically since 1986.

Why are mute swans considered to be invasive?

A large mute swan population threatens the protection and restoration of underwater bay grasses, a
vital part of the Bay's ecosystem. Mute swans feed almost exclusively on bay grasses: each adult
consumes more than 8 pounds daily and pulls whole plants up by the roots or rhizomes. Bay grass
restoration efforts have been frequently hindered by feeding mute swans.

Mute swans also compete with native Bay species for food and habitat.

Breeding mute swans will vigorously defend their nests from intrusion by other swans, ducks or
geese. They can attack and displace native waterfowl from their breeding areas, and may even kill
the intruding pair or their young.
Because mute swans do not migrate, they continuously feed on bay grasses during the summer
flowering and growing periods. This reduces the amount of grasses available for migratory waterfowl,
including Atlantic brants and redhead, canvasback, American widgeon and black ducks. Populations of
many of these species have declined in the Bay due to a lack of available food.
In Maryland, wintering tundra swans have declined 40 percent in the past five years, coinciding
with the rapid increase in mute swans. Mute swan pairs have been observed driving tundra swans from
foraging areas and protected covers used for wintering shelter.

In addition to their impact on bay grasses, mute swans:

Have the potential to damage crops on agricultural fields if there are not enough bay grasses to
satisfy their appetites.
Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.
Can contribute to water quality problems in places they are found in large concentrations."

http://www.chesapeakebay.net/muteswa...menuitem=16930

You'll note, if you bother to read and learn something, that my name is mentioned nowhere in the
article.

Here's some more that will help you.

http://tinyurl.com/o42at

Take some time and grow up.

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On 12/19/2011 6:12 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I
suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.



I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?


If those critters had a sweeter disposition, you'd probably grab one for
a pet.

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On 12/19/2011 8:06 AM, Happy JH wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:12:49 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.



I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

I am glad to have had this discussion with you. I've always wondered about the source of your
bitterness. Now I can see you despise mankind. Knowing you are in that category must be extremely
painful to you.

That's a shame.

Yaknow, your revelation makes sense. It explains a lot.

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On 12/19/11 8:06 AM, Happy JH wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:12:49 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.



I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

I am glad to have had this discussion with you. I've always wondered about the source of your
bitterness. Now I can see you despise mankind. Knowing you are in that category must be extremely
painful to you.

That's a shame.


The sad thing is that you probably believe that statement of yours. It's
so sad you righties are only "pro life" about embryos.



--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Dec 19, 10:57*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 8:06 AM, Happy JH wrote:





On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:12:49 -0500, X ` *wrote:

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. * We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. * Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. * Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.

I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant..
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

I am glad to have had this discussion with you. I've always wondered about the source of your
bitterness. Now I can see you despise mankind. Knowing you are in that category must be extremely
painful to you.

That's a shame.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that statement of yours. It's
so sad you righties are only "pro life" about embryos.

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah... every other living creature (or non approved human) is to be
slaughtered for sport or pleasure.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 11:50 AM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 19, 10:57 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 8:06 AM, Happy JH wrote:





On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:12:49 -0500, X ` wrote:

On 12/19/11 12:32 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:09:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Yes, mankind made a boo-boo. Now mankind should fix the boo-boo. I suppose smashing enough eggs
could eventually solve the problem.

Or... you could eat 'em...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gour...-Meat-Burgers/

===

And we could declare a swan season.

In all seriousness, swans are beautiful to look at but really nasty
critters. We come across quite a few of them when we're cruising and
thet get unpleasant up close, bad dispositions to the core. Early in
our cruising days when we thought feeding them was cool, a swan took a
chip out of the side of our boat, apparently because we were not
feeding him fast enough. Other birds like ducks give them a wide
berth.

I'm certain many critters think mankind is really nasty and unpleasant.
Who is to say the world exists for mankind?

I am glad to have had this discussion with you. I've always wondered about the source of your
bitterness. Now I can see you despise mankind. Knowing you are in that category must be extremely
painful to you.

That's a shame.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that statement of yours. It's
so sad you righties are only "pro life" about embryos.

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah... every other living creature (or non approved human) is to be
slaughtered for sport or pleasure.


"Me hunter, you critter...bang, bang, bang."

If I had a choice of neighbors between swans, herrings or isnotties, I'd
pick the swans. They may have their aggravating habits, but at least
they look nice.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy JH
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.


Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.


Kill 'em, kill 'em all...they interfered with a boat ride.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.


Both species should be targeted and destroyed...
\
Pig

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On Dec 19, 3:42*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 4:00 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Dec 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

I'd be pleased to read an AP item datelined in your town stating that a
short greaseball with a ponytail was pecked to death by a wedge of
swans, who then left the scene of the assault laughing loudly.

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/2011 3:42 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.


Both species should be targeted and destroyed...
\
Pig


Yup Pigs too. Mmmmm good eating. :-)
















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On 12/19/2011 4:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 4:00 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Dec 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

I'd be pleased to read an AP item datelined in your town stating that a
short greaseball with a ponytail was pecked to death by a wedge of
swans, who then left the scene of the assault laughing loudly.

Are you on Mary Jane, Coke, or some new designer drug your wife
introduced you to?

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On 12/19/2011 4:38 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/19/2011 4:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 4:00 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Dec 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a
nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

I'd be pleased to read an AP item datelined in your town stating that a
short greaseball with a ponytail was pecked to death by a wedge of
swans, who then left the scene of the assault laughing loudly.

Are you on Mary Jane, Coke, or some new designer drug your wife
introduced you to?


Probably something prescription, the guy is barely capable of getting
through the day...

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/11 4:41 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2011 4:38 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/19/2011 4:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 4:00 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Dec 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a
nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

I'd be pleased to read an AP item datelined in your town stating that a
short greaseball with a ponytail was pecked to death by a wedge of
swans, who then left the scene of the assault laughing loudly.

Are you on Mary Jane, Coke, or some new designer drug your wife
introduced you to?


Probably something prescription, the guy is barely capable of getting
through the day...


I'm not a heart patient like you are, little dungball. The only "med" I
take is an OTC multivitamin.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

All you need to know about mute swans
 

On 12/19/2011 4:41 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2011 4:38 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/19/2011 4:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/19/11 4:00 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Dec 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:







On 12/19/2011 2:52 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:41:15 -0500, Happy
wrote:

Can display aggressive territorial behavior toward humans if they
approach the birds' nest or
young. A mute swan can have a wingspan of 6 feet and is readily
capable of breaking bones and
causing severe injury.

===

And that is no joke. We were once dive bombed by a swan while
riding in the dinghy, apparentlly having gotten too close to a
nesting
area. It was like having a 747 coming at us at close range.
As the article says, ducks and geese will not mess with a swan. Of
course the so called "Canadian Geese" are a huge pest also, and
should now be called American geese since most of them haven't flown
north in years.

Both species should be targeted and destroyed...

\
Pig

--http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Pussy...

I'd be pleased to read an AP item datelined in your town stating that a
short greaseball with a ponytail was pecked to death by a wedge of
swans, who then left the scene of the assault laughing loudly.

Are you on Mary Jane, Coke, or some new designer drug your wife
introduced you to?


Probably something prescription, the guy is barely capable of getting
through the day...

He's definitely altered his meds program. He doesn't seem to be his old
jolly self today.

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