Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 12/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.

Apparently Harry the K has been caught in yet another lie. A surprise to
no one, I might add.

Yes he has. I know as at the time I built clone PCs from bare boards and
ICs, burned PROMs, even designed adapter cards for the ISA bus. Worked
in the engineering department at NorTel at the time as we used the
custom systems for manufacturing and for the products we shipped. Even
burned PROMs with out custom code. Back then I was a "hacker" when it
was deemed good. Even wrote a distributed RS232 serial network so we
didn't have to buy $1000++ Ethernet cards with drivers that consumed
half the systems resource and memory. Plus the thick cables were too
expensive to run 100's of meters through the facilities.

harryk might have pioneered being a "hanger". A hanger being someone
that didn't know **** about computers but wanted the lime light when
things started working. But management back then saw through the crap.

harryk is a bull****ting idiot.


You weren't building "clone" PC's in 1981-82, not PCs that followed the
IBM standard. I sold my first PC about a year or so after I bought it
because I got a reviewer's "deal" on an 8086 based PC Clone from Eagle,
and I was a regular columnist of a weekly news format tabloid called PC
Week. Also wrote for PC Mag and my favorite, BYTE. Jerry Pournelle, the
sci-fi writer, was a columnist there and he got me an S-100 bus "demo"
computer. Didn't like it at all.

Your claims of being a "hacker" are bull****, too. A "hacker"
accountant? Not that I believe you were an accountant, either.

An $8000 PC? Bull****.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 12/16/2011 3:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a
quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside
the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted
hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.

Apparently Harry the K has been caught in yet another lie. A surprise to
no one, I might add.

Yes he has. I know as at the time I built clone PCs from bare boards and
ICs, burned PROMs, even designed adapter cards for the ISA bus. Worked
in the engineering department at NorTel at the time as we used the
custom systems for manufacturing and for the products we shipped. Even
burned PROMs with out custom code. Back then I was a "hacker" when it
was deemed good. Even wrote a distributed RS232 serial network so we
didn't have to buy $1000++ Ethernet cards with drivers that consumed
half the systems resource and memory. Plus the thick cables were too
expensive to run 100's of meters through the facilities.

harryk might have pioneered being a "hanger". A hanger being someone
that didn't know **** about computers but wanted the lime light when
things started working. But management back then saw through the crap.

harryk is a bull****ting idiot.


You weren't building "clone" PC's in 1981-82, not PCs that followed the
IBM standard. I sold my first PC about a year or so after I bought it
because I got a reviewer's "deal" on an 8086 based PC Clone from Eagle,
and I was a regular columnist of a weekly news format tabloid called PC
Week. Also wrote for PC Mag and my favorite, BYTE. Jerry Pournelle, the
sci-fi writer, was a columnist there and he got me an S-100 bus "demo"
computer. Didn't like it at all.

Your claims of being a "hacker" are bull****, too. A "hacker"
accountant? Not that I believe you were an accountant, either.

An $8000 PC? Bull****.

Yawn. The lies roll off your tongue like butter in a hot skillet.

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator is $22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made." Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area, from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty, you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Your $1650 is bull****.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:59:39 -0500, Drifter wrote:

On 12/16/2011 3:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a
quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside
the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted
hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.

Apparently Harry the K has been caught in yet another lie. A surprise to
no one, I might add.

Yes he has. I know as at the time I built clone PCs from bare boards and
ICs, burned PROMs, even designed adapter cards for the ISA bus. Worked
in the engineering department at NorTel at the time as we used the
custom systems for manufacturing and for the products we shipped. Even
burned PROMs with out custom code. Back then I was a "hacker" when it
was deemed good. Even wrote a distributed RS232 serial network so we
didn't have to buy $1000++ Ethernet cards with drivers that consumed
half the systems resource and memory. Plus the thick cables were too
expensive to run 100's of meters through the facilities.

harryk might have pioneered being a "hanger". A hanger being someone
that didn't know **** about computers but wanted the lime light when
things started working. But management back then saw through the crap.

harryk is a bull****ting idiot.


You weren't building "clone" PC's in 1981-82, not PCs that followed the
IBM standard. I sold my first PC about a year or so after I bought it
because I got a reviewer's "deal" on an 8086 based PC Clone from Eagle,
and I was a regular columnist of a weekly news format tabloid called PC
Week. Also wrote for PC Mag and my favorite, BYTE. Jerry Pournelle, the
sci-fi writer, was a columnist there and he got me an S-100 bus "demo"
computer. Didn't like it at all.

Your claims of being a "hacker" are bull****, too. A "hacker"
accountant? Not that I believe you were an accountant, either.

An $8000 PC? Bull****.

Yawn. The lies roll off your tongue like butter in a hot skillet.

What's not to believe?

After all.... http://johnherring.net/resume/

It's all there for the world to see.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 16/12/2011 1:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a
quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside
the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted
hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.

Apparently Harry the K has been caught in yet another lie. A surprise to
no one, I might add.

Yes he has. I know as at the time I built clone PCs from bare boards and
ICs, burned PROMs, even designed adapter cards for the ISA bus. Worked
in the engineering department at NorTel at the time as we used the
custom systems for manufacturing and for the products we shipped. Even
burned PROMs with out custom code. Back then I was a "hacker" when it
was deemed good. Even wrote a distributed RS232 serial network so we
didn't have to buy $1000++ Ethernet cards with drivers that consumed
half the systems resource and memory. Plus the thick cables were too
expensive to run 100's of meters through the facilities.

harryk might have pioneered being a "hanger". A hanger being someone
that didn't know **** about computers but wanted the lime light when
things started working. But management back then saw through the crap.

harryk is a bull****ting idiot.


You weren't building "clone" PC's in 1981-82, not PCs that followed the
IBM standard. I sold my first PC about a year or so after I bought it
because I got a reviewer's "deal" on an 8086 based PC Clone from Eagle,
and I was a regular columnist of a weekly news format tabloid called PC
Week. Also wrote for PC Mag and my favorite, BYTE. Jerry Pournelle, the
sci-fi writer, was a columnist there and he got me an S-100 bus "demo"
computer. Didn't like it at all.

Your claims of being a "hacker" are bull****, too. A "hacker"
accountant? Not that I believe you were an accountant, either.

An $8000 PC? Bull****.

You wouldn't know a S-100 CP/M system if it came up and bit you in the ass.
--
Corrupt USA, Euro Bank and Military Regime, funding both sides of
terrorism for profit and debt-tax slavery.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 16/12/2011 1:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator is
$22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made." Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Funny, you want to store a 5 mb DB in 1982, it was going to cost you a
lot more than $1500 for computer and drive....

http://ns1758.ca/winch/winchest.html

While Micky mouses like you were toying with 32K RAM and 360K floppies
it just wasn't good enough and I required 10 mb hard drives, and
printer. And while you probably used pirated copy of MS-DOS, sorry,
that wouldn't work where I worked. MS-DOS was an extra charge. So was
the compilers, BASIC and graphics software. Yes, graphics, while you
were toying with 24 lines of 64 characters I was

More on Itty Bitty Machine pricing....

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html

But you add maxed out memory and double floppies, $3000, $1600 hard
drive, $1000 modem plus some software it didn't take long. Printers and
a plotter with autocad were not cheap either.

To be honest, I can't remember the exact price tag but it was over $8000
in 1982 dollars.
--
Corrupt USA, Euro Bank and Military Regime, funding both sides of
terrorism for profit and debt-tax slavery.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 16/12/2011 2:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article75udndIyFP6jOnbTnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator is $22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made." Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area, from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty, you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Your $1650 is bull****.

He probably stuck his video cable up his ass for $1650.... and he damned
things were unusable with only one floppy. Switching disks from the OS
disk to the other disk, mind you better than the paper tap and thumb
wheel bootstrap ones. 32k of ram, well, you wouldn't run much on that.

First computer, IBM 360 keypunch, Fortran in high school. Second was a
PDP 4 I think, only 4 terminals at 4 was it 8k of memory each. But what
hooked me into computing was he first Commodore PET machines. After that
I only wanted microprocessors even though I did HP 300/3000 and MF work.
Showing my age.... But at least harryk isn't as bad as some jack
asses today that think Microsoft invented the Internet. But a
bull****ter all the same.

--
Corrupt USA, Euro Bank and Military Regime, funding both sides of
terrorism for profit and debt-tax slavery.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 12/17/11 3:58 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 1:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was
allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator is
$22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Funny, you want to store a 5 mb DB in 1982, it was going to cost you a
lot more than $1500 for computer and drive....

http://ns1758.ca/winch/winchest.html

While Micky mouses like you were toying with 32K RAM and 360K floppies
it just wasn't good enough and I required 10 mb hard drives, and
printer. And while you probably used pirated copy of MS-DOS, sorry, that
wouldn't work where I worked. MS-DOS was an extra charge. So was the
compilers, BASIC and graphics software. Yes, graphics, while you were
toying with 24 lines of 64 characters I was

More on Itty Bitty Machine pricing....

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html

But you add maxed out memory and double floppies, $3000, $1600 hard
drive, $1000 modem plus some software it didn't take long. Printers and
a plotter with autocad were not cheap either.

To be honest, I can't remember the exact price tag but it was over $8000
in 1982 dollars.


The point was about the early IBM PCs, **** for brains, and that was
what I was basing my pricing on. My first PC didn't have a hard drive
and I had no need for compilers. I used the PC for word processing and a
little bit of databasing. LEss than $2000 would get you everything you
needed to do what I was doing, less than 25% of the $8000 you claimed.

A compiling accountant...what a laugh.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

On 12/17/2011 4:10 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 2:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article75udndIyFP6jOnbTnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was
allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator
is $22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a
quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside
the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy,
iSnotty, you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted
hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Your $1650 is bull****.

He probably stuck his video cable up his ass for $1650.... and he damned
things were unusable with only one floppy. Switching disks from the OS
disk to the other disk, mind you better than the paper tap and thumb
wheel bootstrap ones. 32k of ram, well, you wouldn't run much on that.

First computer, IBM 360 keypunch, Fortran in high school. Second was a
PDP 4 I think, only 4 terminals at 4 was it 8k of memory each. But what
hooked me into computing was he first Commodore PET machines. After that
I only wanted microprocessors even though I did HP 300/3000 and MF work.
Showing my age.... But at least harryk isn't as bad as some jack asses
today that think Microsoft invented the Internet. But a bull****ter all
the same.


Naw. Harry Krause knows that Al Gore invented the Internet.

Why I Like Apple Products, continued
 

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On 12/17/11 3:58 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 1:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 1:57 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/12/2011 6:09 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/16/11 6:38 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 9:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/12/2011 12:26 PM, North Star wrote:


I remember when we got our first office pc...
Only designated people were allowed near it and no one was
allowed to
eat, drink or smoke in it's vicinity.





Back then they were union North American made and cost $8000 in old
1980
dollars, which according to the government inflation calculator is
$22K
today.

Back then was 1982 or 1983 for IBM's first PC, and they weren't
anywhere
near $8000 in US or Canadian dollars. They were less than a quarter of
that amount, and only some parts in them were "American-made."
Further,
IBM wasn't unionized. In fact, about the only large-scale supplier of
PC's who was unionized back in the early to middle "PC" days was AT&T
and even those boxes were merely assembled from parts made outside the
USA.

I bought one of the first IBM PC's sold to consumers in our area,
from a
dealer in Northern Virginia.

So, as usual, you are full of crap. Like your shower buddy, iSnotty,
you
have no real knowledge of actual history in any area.


Addendum...bought my first IBM PC in 1982, apparently, a few months
after they were introduced in 1981. Paid $1650 in 1982 dollars, not
$8000 or anything near that.


http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...c25_birth.html

Says $1,565 as list for striped bare. However everything else is extra.
Monitor, software, hard drive storage, second floppy, memory, modem,
printer, even shipping with Canadian pricing it was $8000. Even the
"Basic" and assembler packages cost extra. Even the ST506 hard drive
controller was extra. As was the power supply upgrade if you wanted hard
drives.

So $1,565 is like buying a car without the windshield, seats, steering
wheel and wheels. For Canadians, taxes and duties extra.

So blow it out your ass there harryk fleabagger. The real cost of a
usable system was $8000.


I paid $1650. Didn't buy overpriced monochrome PC monitor. Bought with
one floppy, bought second floppy later. Dealer gave me software.
Sorry....your claim of $8000 or anywhere near it is bull****.

Funny, you want to store a 5 mb DB in 1982, it was going to cost you a
lot more than $1500 for computer and drive....

http://ns1758.ca/winch/winchest.html

While Micky mouses like you were toying with 32K RAM and 360K floppies
it just wasn't good enough and I required 10 mb hard drives, and
printer. And while you probably used pirated copy of MS-DOS, sorry, that
wouldn't work where I worked. MS-DOS was an extra charge. So was the
compilers, BASIC and graphics software. Yes, graphics, while you were
toying with 24 lines of 64 characters I was

More on Itty Bitty Machine pricing....

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html

But you add maxed out memory and double floppies, $3000, $1600 hard
drive, $1000 modem plus some software it didn't take long. Printers and
a plotter with autocad were not cheap either.

To be honest, I can't remember the exact price tag but it was over $8000
in 1982 dollars.


The point was about the early IBM PCs, **** for brains, and that was
what I was basing my pricing on. My first PC didn't have a hard drive
and I had no need for compilers. I used the PC for word processing and a
little bit of databasing. LEss than $2000 would get you everything you
needed to do what I was doing, less than 25% of the $8000 you claimed.

A compiling accountant...what a laugh.

Unlike you, a lot of people actually have more than one skill. All you
have is your blowhard bull****, and now that everyone here knows what a
coward you are, even that is gone.