"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...
"Gary Warner" wrote:

You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??



"NOYB" wrote:
No.

NOYB, I disagree with your curt and unsophisticated answer.

TERRORISM (From the American Heritage Dictionary):
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an
organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological
or
political reasons.


Israel building settlements and fencing in land that is not theirs
qualifies
as follows:

Unlawful?
Yes, by international standards (law) much of the land annexed by Israel
is
not
theirs. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on this subject. (I
believe - could be wrong)

Force?
Yep, they are taking land by force.

Intention of Intimidating or Coercing?
While it's hard to proove what someone's intent is, I believe the Israeli
leadership wants
to intimidate the Palestinians into just "accepting" that Israel WILL have
this land.

TERRORISM does not have to be killing of people or killing of civilians,
though Israel does that too.

It's not terrorism. Imperialism...maybe. But, not terrorism.

Check the definition of Imperialism:

"The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or
by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
"

Now isn't that a better definition? And it doesn't need any spin to make it
"fit"...

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:44:29 -0400, Gary Warner wrote:

"Gary Warner" wrote:

You mean that their continually grabbing land that isn't theirs - even
while supposedly "negotiating" in good faith isn't showing teeth?

Israel has lots more money, militarty, and resources. They negotiate
but all the while continue to make land grabs. Then they wonder why
terrorists attack them. Hmmmm....isn't building walls annexing people
a kind of terrorism??



"NOYB" wrote:
No.

NOYB, I disagree with your curt and unsophisticated answer.

TERRORISM (From the American Heritage Dictionary):
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an
organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or
political reasons.


Israel building settlements and fencing in land that is not theirs qualifies
as follows:

Unlawful?
Yes, by international standards (law) much of the land annexed by Israel is
not
theirs. Israel is in violation of UN resolutions on this subject. (I
believe - could be wrong)

Force?
Yep, they are taking land by force.

Intention of Intimidating or Coercing?
While it's hard to proove what someone's intent is, I believe the Israeli
leadership wants
to intimidate the Palestinians into just "accepting" that Israel WILL have
this land.

TERRORISM does not have to be killing of people or killing of civilians,
though Israel does that too.

Then you don't differentiate between Palestinians blowing up civilians and
Israelis retaliating against terrorist targets? And note I said
"retaliating". It doesn't appear that Israelis are first to strike.

--

Larry
email is rapp at lmr dot com

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:00:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

The leader of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Shallah, told Dubai-based Al-Arabiya TV
that the Israeli attack was "a grave development that exceeded all rules of
the game."

-----------------------------------------------------

They think that murdering women and children is a "game"?


Yes.

War, and the resultant death, misery, and sorrow, seldom reaches
modern "leaders". From Nigeria to Columbia, the US to the Middle
East, and beyond, it is a game of chess. You kill my pawn, I kill two
of yours, and take your castle. All in the comfort of my leather
chair.

The ancient kings who rode at the head of their armies earned their
power. Today, it's as easy as a telephone call.



....carry on.
noah

To email me, please remove the "FISH" from the net.