"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."


If the scrap was between Moslems and Hindus, nobobdy in the US would give a
serous rip. When was the last time you met anybody with a passionate opinion
about any of the several countries surrounding India, where inter-faith warfare
is a way of life?

I don't think that if you argue against Israel you're an anti-Semite...but
you *are* lacking in rationale and intelligent thought.

Israel is not expanding it's borders. In fact, many of the attempted truce
deals have had Israel agreeing to pull back its borders. Unfortunately, the
Palestinians won't be happy until those borders are pulled back all the way
to the Mediterranean.




"Gary Warner" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."


If the scrap was between Moslems and Hindus, nobobdy in the US would give
a
serous rip. When was the last time you met anybody with a passionate
opinion
about any of the several countries surrounding India, where inter-faith
warfare
is a way of life?

That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

If WWII hadn't happened, would we still be supporting Israel as
passionately? Would Israel even exist today?

A large segment of Israel's population does not agree with the various truce
deals, and they continue building settlements. Right or wrong, the
Palestinians lump all Israelis into one category, regardless of the various
political flavors which make up the nation. Not much different than the rest
of the world seeing all Americans as being cut from the same cloth.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
I don't think that if you argue against Israel you're an anti-Semite...but
you *are* lacking in rationale and intelligent thought.

Israel is not expanding it's borders. In fact, many of the attempted
truce
deals have had Israel agreeing to pull back its borders. Unfortunately,
the
Palestinians won't be happy until those borders are pulled back all the
way
to the Mediterranean.




"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in
1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.



I believe you've packed many misleading half-truths into those
two sentences, but I'll have to wait until I'm back home where
I have some resouce books to check before I can correct you
in detail.


NOTE: I notice that almost everyone who argues for the Isreali
position eventually calles anyone that makes any points against
it an anti-semite. That's like calling anyone who makes any
arguments against the US Governments policies "non-patriotic."

That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

I have no idea.

But because 10-15% (? guesstimate) of our population is of Jewish extraction in
the US we are somehow compelled to take the Israeli side at all times? I don't
think so. We need to recognize that there are injustices on *both* sides in
this thing. Nobody can honestly claim moral superiority.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:59:48 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

That's a pretty good point, Gould. But how many Hindus live in this
country?

I have no idea.

I found two numbers, 766,000 in 2001 and 1.1 million.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm

But because 10-15% (? guesstimate) of our population is of Jewish extraction in
the US we are somehow compelled to take the Israeli side at all times? I don't
think so. We need to recognize that there are injustices on *both* sides in
this thing. Nobody can honestly claim moral superiority.

The Jewish population in the US is somewhere between 5.2 and 6.7 million
and declining due to low birthrates.
http://www.wwrn.org/parse.php?idd=9668&c=129

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


Roger Martin wrote:
And what history book did you read that one in?

Hmm. How about 'many'? It's pretty close to what actually happened.




Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc..

This was a relatively small number. Certainly not equal to the number of Jewish
villagers killed by their Arab neighbors between ~300AD and 1948, or even in
1943 to 1948. That doesn't make it right, of course.


The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

Excuse me? I suggest you read a factual account of the Zionist movement
originating in the mid 1800s.

There was a large Jewish population in Eretz Israel remaining after the
Diaspora. Look up any census of the region under the Ottoman Turks. And Jewish
settlers began arriving in the 1700s in steadily increasing flow, increasingly
better organized & financed. And they were always resisted, usually by force of
arms or stealthy murder. Good thing the US has never felt that way about
immigrants.....




The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

What 'history book' did you read that in? It's pure Hezbollah propaganda.



Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK


Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.


Doug Kanter wrote:
Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

Oh... right. Sorry 'bout that... what was I thinking!

DSK