"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?

Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?

Roger Martin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?


About 20 of them.


Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

It was substantial in 1939 and it was more substantial as many of the
survivors of the Aryans arrived after WW II.




The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

Uh-huh.





Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?


The Jews, eh? Why not just come out and say it, fella. Don't use the
so-called Palestinians as your surrogates.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Roger Martin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gary Warner wrote:

I agree with all that below.

You seem to think Israel is right in it's actions - can
you tell me why? Don't the Palestinian's have a right
to fight to protect their land?



The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


And what history book did you read that one in?


About 20 of them.


Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by
the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc.. The number
of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration
after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhisto...tish%20Mandate

Written by an Israelis.


It was substantial in 1939 and it was more substantial as many of the
survivors of the Aryans arrived after WW II.



http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

Notice that the population figures from the various census have very large
numbers of Arabs/Palestinians and rapidly increasing numbers of Jews.

An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.



The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue
state.

Uh-huh.


http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

Has a Zionist's history of Deir Yassin - 100 non combatants killed.





Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?


The Jews, eh? Why not just come out and say it, fella. Don't use the
so-called Palestinians as your surrogates.


Why does a pro Palestinian viewpoint make me an anti Semite?
I was anti apartheid as well, and any thinking person would have
to agree that Israel practices a form of religious apartheid on non
Jews. I'm not sure that I can think of any other so called democratic
state which practices such blatant discrimination based solely on
religious belief (plenty of African states though).

"Roger Martin" wrote in message
...
An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in
elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.

Interesting analogy, especially when you think about why so many places in
California has spanish names.

But isn't arabs (i.e. the million who are israeli citizens) allowed to vote
in Israel (they have representatives in the Knesset) even if they are
muslims?

"Terje Trane" wrote in message
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"Roger Martin" wrote in message
...
An analogy of that period would be allowing mass migration from Mexico
into California and then only allowing Roman Catholics to vote in
elections
after they've chased off all of the non Roman Catholics.

Interesting analogy, especially when you think about why so many places in
California has spanish names.

But isn't arabs (i.e. the million who are israeli citizens) allowed to
vote
in Israel (they have representatives in the Knesset) even if they are
muslims?



I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

Did some searching and I don't think so. Seems they have the same voting
rights as jewish israelis, but there are 18% arab israelis and 82% jewish
israelis so ...

There are 6 arab parties and 3 mixed jewish-arab parties in the current
Knesset.

Terje Trane wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
I think their representatives are non-voting in the Knesset.

Did some searching and I don't think so. Seems they have the same voting
rights as jewish israelis, but there are 18% arab israelis and 82% jewish
israelis so ...

There are 6 arab parties and 3 mixed jewish-arab parties in the current
Knesset.


What, no party for Arafat?

The land of the so-called Palestinians actually is in Jordan. The
ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians left Israel in 1948
to help their Arab brothers slaughter the Jews.


Roger Martin wrote:
And what history book did you read that one in?

Hmm. How about 'many'? It's pretty close to what actually happened.




Most Palestinians fled after the mass executions of anyone not a Jew by the
fledging Israelis army and its irregulars - Stern Gang etc..

This was a relatively small number. Certainly not equal to the number of Jewish
villagers killed by their Arab neighbors between ~300AD and 1948, or even in
1943 to 1948. That doesn't make it right, of course.


The number of
Jews in Palestine was minute pre 1939, only when the mass immigration after
WW2 did the numbers rise.

Excuse me? I suggest you read a factual account of the Zionist movement
originating in the mid 1800s.

There was a large Jewish population in Eretz Israel remaining after the
Diaspora. Look up any census of the region under the Ottoman Turks. And Jewish
settlers began arriving in the 1700s in steadily increasing flow, increasingly
better organized & financed. And they were always resisted, usually by force of
arms or stealthy murder. Good thing the US has never felt that way about
immigrants.....




The big problem for the Israelis is that they carved out a country using
terrorism against the Brits and Palestinians - the freedom fighting
Palestinians are only trying to win back their country from a rogue state.

What 'history book' did you read that in? It's pure Hezbollah propaganda.



Or are they just a bunch of sub humans who dont deserve national self
determination like the Jews?

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.

DSK


Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

Maybe the best answer would be to let the Palestinians form an independent
country, and have Israel recognize them... that way, future terrorist
attacks
would be acts of war, and Israel could take better steps for defense.


Doug Kanter wrote:
Can't do that. American presidents NEED the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to
continue ad nauseum so that in election years, they can point to their
tireless efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

Oh... right. Sorry 'bout that... what was I thinking!

DSK