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says... On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:28:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first *;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. I don't have a 9mm but I do have a .380 and yes, at 15 ft. I can put about 3 rd.s in a 3" circle. However, I also have a 45ACP AMT Hardballer, AND an original 1917 issue Colt 1911A . I use hand drilled, hollow point, lead wad cutters in both. And with either. I can put 1 slug through a 3" circle. And in a "have to" situation, that's all that would be necessary. I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. Be nice to those WD disks. My sister works for that company. |
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On 12/13/11 1:31 AM, wrote:
I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. I'll surely keep that in mind when I'm out shooting hard drives. |
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On Dec 13, 12:34*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:06:19 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 10:28*pm, Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first *;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:50:22 -0500 , wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:43:02 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first ;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. Un Huh. You should have given the bozo the customary snerk. I wonder how well he does with a target who refuses to stand still? -- 2012, the end of an error:-) Yee Haw! |
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says... On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 4:33 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:06:22 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:54:26 -0500, wrote: We came across a bear crossing the road last Sunday. I had to hit the brakes to avoid hitting it. It didn't occur to me to whip out a gun and shoot it. Most pocket handguns (38/9mm) would just **** off a bear. Sort of depends on the bear, eh? Or have you surveyed florida bears? The bears around here are pretty tame. I have not heard of any showing any aggression and people are chasing them out of their yards once or twice a month. It is still an animal that is 150-200 pounds and has the ability to do some damage if you get him ****ed at you. I doubt a 9mm is going to stop one before he gets to you. Depends on the bear and the shooter, eh? I've seen bear tracks out at the Shenandoah and a buddy with an adjacent property has a natural rock cave on his property that families of smaller bears use. Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first ;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. Harry is such a friggin' coward that he uses special ammo for "defense"!!!! |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
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says... On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first ;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. Oh, Harry knows much more about guns than the FBI...... |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
In article , dump-on-
says... On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first ;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. I told you Harry knows more than the FBI about guns!!! |
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says... On 12/13/11 1:31 AM, wrote: I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. I'll surely keep that in mind when I'm out shooting hard drives. And of COURSE Harry completely misses the point... |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:21:04 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:56:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Dec 13, 1:31*am, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:28:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first *;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. I don't have a 9mm but I do have a .380 and yes, at 15 ft. I can put about 3 rd.s in a 3" circle. However, I also have a 45ACP AMT Hardballer, *AND an original 1917 issue Colt 1911A . I use hand drilled, hollow point, lead wad cutters in both. And with either. I can put 1 slug through a 3" circle. *And in a "have to" situation, that's all that would be necessary. I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. |
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On Dec 13, 6:23*pm, Black Cloud wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:21:04 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:56:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Dec 13, 1:31*am, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:28:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first *;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. I don't have a 9mm but I do have a .380 and yes, at 15 ft. I can put about 3 rd.s in a 3" circle. However, I also have a 45ACP AMT Hardballer, *AND an original 1917 issue Colt 1911A . I use hand drilled, hollow point, lead wad cutters in both. And with either. I can put 1 slug through a 3" circle. *And in a "have to" situation, that's all that would be necessary. I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Bleeds them out for better butchering, too! |
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wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:43:02 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first ;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. Un Huh. Harry's a pussy. A lot louder? Sure. -HB |
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On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? |
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On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? He has seen pictures of several... Probably get him to re-post one if you are lucky;) snerk |
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On Dec 13, 8:28*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 |
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In article , dump-on-
says... On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. I think "they" got the message. Don't even think about ****ing with Harry. He's one bad dude. tee hee |
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On 08/12/2011 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:40:48 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:04:39 -0500, X ` Man wrote: 2 shot dead on Virginia Tech campus By NBC News and msnbc.com staff BLACKSBURG, Va. -- Two people, including a campus police officer, were shot dead Thursday at Virginia Tech, where 33 people were killed in 2007 in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, a university spokesman said. ah, the ritght to keep and bear arms...100 dead cops a year cant be wrong Let's see if I follow this: if we passed a law against guns, criminals wouldn't be shooting cops. Is that about it? Not what happens in Canada. Cops and criminals have guns and most non-criminals have no defense. Hell, an RCMP cop even wasted his wife and to be sure put three into 9mm slugs in her in cold blood, only being tried for second degree murder. Hasn't even been tried yet. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...er-charge.html Maybe cops should give them up too, and the military. And funny, I bet more dies this weekend in DWI, guess we should ban booze and cars? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...der-trial.html Don't forget baseball bats, knives, bow and arrows, sling shots, cross bows, chain saws, broad axes, hatchets, hair spray (and BIC lighters), air craft, Drano and ammonia, arsenic, ammonia nitrate, and 1000s of other things. And of course ban boats and beer. After all the idiot in the next link managed to park a speed boat into a stationary houseboat mudering one, hospitalizing 8. Incompetent police dragged their ass, as while watching him open a beer in front of them they didn't ask for a blood test. http://www.chbcnews.ca/speedboat+dri...641/story.html But at least a year and a half later with public pressure they finally charged the ass hole. I wish the anti-gun crowd can hear themselves think. There is more ways to kill a person than can be counted. People kill people. -- Corrupt USA, Euro Bank and Military Regime, funding both sides of terrorism for profit and debt-tax slavery. |
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On 12/13/11 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It started out as one of these: http://czcustom.com/CZ75_SP01_SHADOW_CustomShop.aspx I nixed the "aluminum grips." I don't like the way they feel. In addition, the pistol was converted from double to single action at my request, with a straight trigger. Trigger pull was lightened. A custom hammer was installed and tuned. There are a couple of other bits of competition gunsmithing that were applied. Another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTGym...h_response_rev Fast firing Shadow, but not as fast as mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFIY...eature=related As I've stated, the gun cycle quickly, with very little muzzle flip. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
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On 12/14/11 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. In your CCW class, did they do the "man with a knife" drill? At 15 feet the guy with the knife usually stabs the guy with the gun before he gets off a shot. There is a huge difference between what you do at the range and what happens when you are in a real fight. If the person you shoot, actually lives 10 seconds after he is shot, there may be two bodies on the ground when the cops get there. That is why .40s and .45s have it all over a 38 or 9mm. Bear in mind your assailant may be stoned on some drug that prevents him from responding in the way you expect. If this is a wild animal, they may just get more aggressive when they are shot and you need a hit that actually knocks them down. I don't typically walk around Southern Maryland "heeled," as they used to say, even though I have permits to do so. If there's an intruder who breaks in here at night, he's a "home invader," and is going to be shot as soon as I see him, either with a pistol or with a shotgun. The 9mm, by the way, is not my only handgun. I do have a few larger caliber pistols, but I shoot 9mm the most. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
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, says... On Dec 13, 8:28*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces? |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22- , says... On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces? Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever... This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick really... |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/11 7:44 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote: In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22- , says... On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces? Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever... This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick really... Your ego is getting in the way of your limited brain power, little turdman. Sooner or later, the 14-year-old girl who lives next door to iLoogy will wipe the floor with him, and, with your mouth and reputation and history, I have a feeling you'll be a suicide by cop. I've had a few physical fights in my lifetime, little turdman, but at my age, I'd prefer weaponry that gives me the advantage. I'm sure you get into physical fights all the time...it's pandemic among little hotheads like you who can't control themselves. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:27:07 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Dec 13, 6:23*pm, Black Cloud wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:21:04 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:56:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Dec 13, 1:31*am, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:28:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with a few shots from a 9mm pistol. You go first *;-) I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there. I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds. I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they are a lot tougher that you think. It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him. 9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make up for mediocre terminal performance. It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal. .40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet. At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if I am firing rapidly. I don't have a 9mm but I do have a .380 and yes, at 15 ft. I can put about 3 rd.s in a 3" circle. However, I also have a 45ACP AMT Hardballer, *AND an original 1917 issue Colt 1911A . I use hand drilled, hollow point, lead wad cutters in both. And with either. I can put 1 slug through a 3" circle. *And in a "have to" situation, that's all that would be necessary. I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard drive. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg A .45 will get the job done. 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Bleeds them out for better butchering, too! Well, that was the point of killing it in the first place. |
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On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
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says... On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Good thing you have your guns to protect you, you sniveling coward. |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
In article , dump-on-
says... On 12/14/11 7:44 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote: In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22- , says... On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces? Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever... This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick really... Your ego is getting in the way of your limited brain power, little turdman. Sooner or later, the 14-year-old girl who lives next door to iLoogy will wipe the floor with him, and, with your mouth and reputation and history, I have a feeling you'll be a suicide by cop. I've had a few physical fights in my lifetime, little turdman, but at my age, I'd prefer weaponry that gives me the advantage. I'm sure you get into physical fights all the time...it's pandemic among little hotheads like you who can't control themselves. In other words, you are a cowardly fat ****. |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote:
On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote: On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy such a pistol |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/2011 10:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote: On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy such a pistol ....and still, I am more content with my lot in life than you... |
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Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/11 10:42 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 10:30 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote: On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy such a pistol ...and still, I am more content with my lot in life than you... And that's probably why you are unsuccessful...you're content. I've never been content with my "lot in life," and have worked all my life to improve it. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
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Another Virgina Tech shooting
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:36:43 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: As I've stated, the gun cycle quickly, with very little muzzle flip. === The CZ seems to be well liked by a lot of people. Unfortunately I've never had the opportunity to try one. I did get a chance to fire a Kimber II recently in local competetion and was very impressed with the feel and finish. http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/cu...i/stainless-ii |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
On 12/14/11 11:17 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:36:43 -0500, X ` Man wrote: As I've stated, the gun cycles quickly, with very little muzzle flip. === The CZ seems to be well liked by a lot of people. Unfortunately I've never had the opportunity to try one. I did get a chance to fire a Kimber II recently in local competetion and was very impressed with the feel and finish. http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/cu...i/stainless-ii Very nice looking pistol...you should get one. You'll have to spend some bucks on it, I would guess, to make it a competitive shooter. I like the CZ 97B in .45. I had a "stainless" Sig X-5 competition pistol in 9mm. It was a very nice handgun but out of the box not as accurate as my 9mm CZ. Sold the Sig to a competitive shooter in Virginia. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Another Virgina Tech shooting
In article , dump-on-
says... On 12/14/11 11:17 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:36:43 -0500, X ` Man wrote: As I've stated, the gun cycles quickly, with very little muzzle flip. === The CZ seems to be well liked by a lot of people. Unfortunately I've never had the opportunity to try one. I did get a chance to fire a Kimber II recently in local competetion and was very impressed with the feel and finish. http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/cu...i/stainless-ii Very nice looking pistol...you should get one. You'll have to spend some bucks on it, I would guess, to make it a competitive shooter. I like the CZ 97B in .45. I had a "stainless" Sig X-5 competition pistol in 9mm. It was a very nice handgun but out of the box not as accurate as my 9mm CZ. Sold the Sig to a competitive shooter in Virginia. Did it make you feel like you had a penis, coward? |
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On 12/14/2011 11:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleyJKdnXAut4eAWHXTnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 12/14/11 10:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 10:30 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote: On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. == In what way is it customized? It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy such a pistol ...and still, I am more content with my lot in life than you... And that's probably why you are unsuccessful...you're content. I've never been content with my "lot in life," and have worked all my life to improve it. Then why are you such a hate filled person that must lie about everything in their life? Because his work hasn't borne fruit. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/14/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/14/11 7:44 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote: In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22- , says... On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available! ?8^ 0 I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces? Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever... This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick really... Your ego is getting in the way of your limited brain power, little turdman. Sooner or later, the 14-year-old girl who lives next door to iLoogy will wipe the floor with him, and, with your mouth and reputation and history, I have a feeling you'll be a suicide by cop. I've had a few physical fights in my lifetime, little turdman, but at my age, I'd prefer weaponry that gives me the advantage. I'm sure you get into physical fights all the time...it's pandemic among little hotheads like you who can't control themselves. Krause the keyboard cowboy. He would be intimidated by Pee Wee Herman or Twiggy. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/14/2011 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black wrote: 22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place, bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal .223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf. They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate results On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then, when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter. Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting. On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing. Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot. "Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in "combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate. My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's, 380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm of choice would be my customized CZ. In your CCW class, did they do the "man with a knife" drill? At 15 feet the guy with the knife usually stabs the guy with the gun before he gets off a shot. There is a huge difference between what you do at the range and what happens when you are in a real fight. If the person you shoot, actually lives 10 seconds after he is shot, there may be two bodies on the ground when the cops get there. That is why .40s and .45s have it all over a 38 or 9mm. Bear in mind your assailant may be stoned on some drug that prevents him from responding in the way you expect. If this is a wild animal, they may just get more aggressive when they are shot and you need a hit that actually knocks them down. Especially if Harry gets his way and drugs are legalized. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/14/2011 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:42:57 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 12/14/11 12:16 AM, wrote: I don't typically walk around Southern Maryland "heeled," as they used to say, even though I have permits to do so. You have a Maryland handgun carry permit? How did you get that? He convinced the authorities that he has a higher than average likelihood that he will be physically attacked and harmed or violated. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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