In article m,
says...

On 11/29/2011 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article76GdnQg99KclrEnTnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/28/11 7:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/28/11 2:02 PM, Califbill wrote:

You mean the Crown Corp did not contribute? And if it is not government
funded, you may need to cut back on you living standards.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/data/11-032_2-eng.asp
Appears as if a lot of those Canadian pensions are underfunded.


Perhaps, California Swill, you could get a consulting appointment with
the Canadian government and show it how to skirt the laws on hiring
illegals at shape-ups to perform home repair tasks. That way, you have
no employer social security payments, no tax records, no unemployment
comp payments, no workers' comp payments.

That is how you did it, right?


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Maybe you did it that way. But I had licensed drivers. I owned a
construction equipment leasing company. I do not think we ever had a
Hispanic employee. They would have probably worked harder and more
reliably than some we had. I had city permits, state permits, paid FUTA,
sales tax, and all those others fees. Only time I hired illegals is
because the ones I requested from the Calif EDD did not show up to clean
up the In-laws house for sale. Same people who probably claim they can
not get a job. Now you, most likely would hire a cheap illegal to build
that deck as you are incapable of doing the job yourself.


Uh, that's not how you ran your retirement business, according to your
own words here. Oh...the deck guy? Local carpenter's apprentice, by now
a journeyman. Born right here in the county.

Whoopsy........ you said YOU built the deck with a helper. At least that
was your story until it was pointed out that the contractor's trailer
was in the picture!

I don't know how hamstrung these unions keep their apprentices but I'm
thinking apprentices aren't allowed to take on unauthorized side work.

How does the union agent get his cut?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady

Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.

The web site shows a Ram 2500 with the boat on an EzLoader trailer,
which is a coupl;e of feet narrower than the 8 1/2 foot boat. Height
with it in the water, mast folded, is less than ten feet. It would be
more on the trailer.

http://www.cu****erboats.com/articles/

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/28/11 7:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/28/11 2:02 PM, Califbill wrote:

You mean the Crown Corp did not contribute? And if it is not government
funded, you may need to cut back on you living standards.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/data/11-032_2-eng.asp
Appears as if a lot of those Canadian pensions are underfunded.


Perhaps, California Swill, you could get a consulting appointment with
the Canadian government and show it how to skirt the laws on hiring
illegals at shape-ups to perform home repair tasks. That way, you have
no employer social security payments, no tax records, no unemployment
comp payments, no workers' comp payments.

That is how you did it, right?


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe you did it that way. But I had licensed drivers. I owned a
construction equipment leasing company. I do not think we ever had a
Hispanic employee. They would have probably worked harder and more
reliably than some we had. I had city permits, state permits, paid FUTA,
sales tax, and all those others fees. Only time I hired illegals is
because the ones I requested from the Calif EDD did not show up to clean
up the In-laws house for sale. Same people who probably claim they can
not get a job. Now you, most likely would hire a cheap illegal to build
that deck as you are incapable of doing the job yourself.


Uh, that's not how you ran your retirement business, according to your
own words here. Oh...the deck guy? Local carpenter's apprentice, by now
a journeyman. Born right here in the county.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug


----------------------------------------------
My retirement business never hired workers.

On 11/30/11 12:39 PM, Califbill wrote:



My retirement business never hired workers.


Ahh...you were able to avoid the "mess" of payrolling them, eh?

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:40:23 -0600, Richard Casady wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady

Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.

The web site shows a Ram 2500 with the boat on an EzLoader trailer,
which is a coupl;e of feet narrower than the 8 1/2 foot boat. Height
with it in the water, mast folded, is less than ten feet. It would be
more on the trailer.

http://www.cu****erboats.com/articles/

Can't get to that page with Firefox or Internet Explorer.

John H wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:40:23 -0600, Richard wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg
A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?
I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady
Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.
The web site shows a Ram 2500 with the boat on an EzLoader trailer,
which is a coupl;e of feet narrower than the 8 1/2 foot boat. Height
with it in the water, mast folded, is less than ten feet. It would be
more on the trailer.

http://www.cu****erboats.com/articles/
Can't get to that page with Firefox or Internet Explorer.
Try this....

http://www.cu****erboats.com/article...Trail_2011.pdf

-HB

On 11/30/2011 8:21 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
John H wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:40:23 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg
A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?
I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady
Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.
The web site shows a Ram 2500 with the boat on an EzLoader trailer,
which is a coupl;e of feet narrower than the 8 1/2 foot boat. Height
with it in the water, mast folded, is less than ten feet. It would be
more on the trailer.

http://www.cu****erboats.com/articles/
Can't get to that page with Firefox or Internet Explorer.
Try this....

http://www.cu****erboats.com/article...Trail_2011.pdf

-HB

Noice... how much fuel would it use in a typical weekend?

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:25:26 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

how much fuel would it use in a typical weekend?

===

Depends on how you use it. It comes with a 260 hp diesel. At 80%
of wide open throttle it will probably plane off at 18 to 20 kts if
you don't load it too heavily. At that speed it will be burning about
10 gallons per hour. If you back off to 50% of WOT fuel burn will
drop to 6 or 7 gph but speed will be quite a bit slower, most likely
not on plane.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:21:34 -0500, Honey Badger wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:40:23 -0600, Richard wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg
A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?
I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady
Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.
The web site shows a Ram 2500 with the boat on an EzLoader trailer,
which is a coupl;e of feet narrower than the 8 1/2 foot boat. Height
with it in the water, mast folded, is less than ten feet. It would be
more on the trailer.

http://www.cu****erboats.com/articles/
Can't get to that page with Firefox or Internet Explorer.
Try this....

http://www.cu****erboats.com/article...Trail_2011.pdf

-HB

Thanks. That's a nice looking boat. And, it appears that the Dodge Ram 2500 diesel has about 22K lbs
towing capacity, so it should handle that pretty well - if you can stand riding in a Dodge pickup.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:09:29 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:25:26 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

how much fuel would it use in a typical weekend?

===

Depends on how you use it. It comes with a 260 hp diesel. At 80%
of wide open throttle it will probably plane off at 18 to 20 kts if
you don't load it too heavily. At that speed it will be burning about
10 gallons per hour. If you back off to 50% of WOT fuel burn will
drop to 6 or 7 gph but speed will be quite a bit slower, most likely
not on plane.

You overestimate the fuel burn by about 50%.
It isn't a trawler, it has a high speed flat bottom planing hull with
a keel, a huge foot deep skeg under the aft third. protecting the prop
and rudder, bulged to lower the engine and reduce the shaft angle.
It will do 29 kts at WOT, 4050 RPM, burning 13.6 gph.. 3.9kt at 670
RPM on .3 gph. At 1000 RPM, 5.4 on .6 thats 10 mpg at Manatee speed.
It planes at 1400. 3000 RPM burns 6.6 at 18.6. Seems to be the speed
for best mpg. At 3500 RPM, probably about max continuous,you get 23.
Where I have been boating for 57 years, Spirit Lake, on the
Iowa/Minnesota border, it is less than 10 minutes run from anywhere to
our beach. Easy to find with Google maps.

Casady