On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:57:29 -0500, Drifter
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:15:43 -0700 , Canuck57
wrote:
On 19/11/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:00:19 -0700,
wrote:
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government
is
the problem.


Good old Bob seems to know where his shift key is but he doesn't know
when to use it.

i'm hoping to work on wall street

i'm shiftless

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:59:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:36:11 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

the dems passed more regulation of wall street in 1 year than the GOP
did in 30

the GOP deregulated wall street

Didn't you say that was 1997 an hour ago? Who was in the white house?
Who pimped all of that deregulation?


let's see....there was

phil gramm, author of the repeal of glass steagall

there was bill clinton who signed the bill

there was the GOP congress of 2001 and 2003 that made the deficit HUGE
by halving taxes on the rich

there was george bush who got us into a trillion dollar war w/o paying
for it

and alan greenspan with his fundamentalist laissez faire economics

that you right wing idiots havent figured out yet

DONT WORK

idiots

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:59:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:36:11 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

the dems passed more regulation of wall street in 1 year than the GOP
did in 30

the GOP deregulated wall street

Didn't you say that was 1997 an hour ago? Who was in the white house?
Who pimped all of that deregulation?

ever hear of phil gramm?

his enron VP wife?

know who authored the bill?

oh. you dont.

and who gutted the SEC in the last 6years? who pushed deregulation?

the GOP and the GOP.

who's protecting the banks TODAY?

the GOP

you're just too dumb to know it

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:17:21 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:20:08 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:59:12 -0500, wrote:


phil gramm, author of the repeal of glass steagall

there was bill clinton who signed the bill

there was the GOP congress of 2001 and 2003 that made the deficit HUGE
by halving taxes on the rich

there was george bush who got us into a trillion dollar war w/o paying
for it

and alan greenspan with his fundamentalist laissez faire economics

that you right wing idiots havent figured out yet

You forgot Summers and Rubin but it is a fair assessment. Just notice
there were plenty of democrats and democratic appointees proposing all
of this and overwhelming democratic support for all of this
deregulation in ther congress.
When you admit it was the Clinton administration who did all of this
deregulation, we will be getting somewhere.

yep the bull**** deregulation stampede had everyone fooled

but the right wing never learns. they're still pushing gravy for the
rich at the expense of the middle class

and no, it was not the 'clinton administration' that did all this. it
was a GOP CONGRESS

guess you forgot that part.

On 21/11/2011 10:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:41:41 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:59:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:36:11 -0500, wrote:

the dems passed more regulation of wall street in 1 year than the GOP
did in 30

the GOP deregulated wall street

Didn't you say that was 1997 an hour ago? Who was in the white house?
Who pimped all of that deregulation?

ever hear of phil gramm?



you're just too dumb to know it

The president can veto a bill but Clintons people Rubin and Summers
were cheering Grarmm on.

You are too dumb to admit it.
Have you seen Clinton signing ALL 3 deregulation bills?
He gave a speech at each signing telling us this was the best thing
since sliced bread. They are on you tube if you are smart enough to
figure that out.

He has fleabagger disease, denial and short memories is a cherished
trait of the fleabaggers. Also why they never learn and mature. Just
greedy, envious and selffish children in the head of a lazy adult.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:24:09 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:51:34 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


You forgot Summers and Rubin but it is a fair assessment. Just notice
there were plenty of democrats and democratic appointees proposing all
of this and overwhelming democratic support for all of this
deregulation in ther congress.
When you admit it was the Clinton administration who did all of this
deregulation, we will be getting somewhere.

yep the bull**** deregulation stampede had everyone fooled

but the right wing never learns. they're still pushing gravy for the
rich at the expense of the middle class

and no, it was not the 'clinton administration' that did all this. it
was a GOP CONGRESS

guess you forgot that part.


Do I need to post the votes again? Did you forget?

More republicans voted against the CFMA than democrats.

let's look at history, shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodi...ry_of_the_CFMA

At the same time, Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), the Chair of the Senate
Banking Committee, was quoted as insisting that any bill brought to
the Senate Floor would need to be expanded to include prohibitions on
SEC regulation of the swaps market.[55]

Democratic members of Congress later described a period in late
September through early October during which they were excluded from
negotiations over reconciling the three committee versions of H.R.
4541, followed by involvement in reaching an acceptable compromise
that left some Republicans unhappy with the final version of the bill
and some Democrats upset over the “process”, particularly the
involvement of Sen. Gramm and House Republican leadership in the
negotiations.[56]

After the House passed H.R. 4541, press reports indicated Sen. Gramm
was blocking Senate action based on his continued insistence that the
bill be expanded to prevent the SEC from regulating swaps, and the
desire to broaden the protections against CFTC regulation for “bank
products

When Congress returned into session for two days in mid-November, the
sponsor of H.R. 4541, Representative Thomas Ewing (R-IL), described
Senator Gramm as the “one man” blocking Senate passage of H.R. 4541.

and regarding the 'enron loophole' exempting energy products from
regulation, the DEMOCRATIC senate, overrode bush's veto to close this
in 2008.

AND the AUTHOR of the 2000 CFMA for the HOUSE was rep. thomas ewing,
REPUBLICAN of IL along with 3 REPUBLICAN cosponsors

AND BOTH houses were GOP controlled; ALL the committee chairman...ALL
REPUBLICANS...supported the CFMA.

AND if you go he

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-273

you see that the REPUBLICANS passed this bill. ONLY THREE DEMOCRATS
voted for it.


so this dolchstoss for american has CONSERVATIVE written all over it.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:22:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:41:41 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:59:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:36:11 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

the dems passed more regulation of wall street in 1 year than the GOP
did in 30

the GOP deregulated wall street

Didn't you say that was 1997 an hour ago? Who was in the white house?
Who pimped all of that deregulation?

ever hear of phil gramm?



you're just too dumb to know it

The president can veto a bill but Clintons people Rubin and Summers
were cheering Grarmm on.

meaningless babble. no one knows what this means, other than some
drivel you heard on faux news.


You are too dumb to admit it.
Have you seen Clinton signing ALL 3 deregulation bills?
He gave a speech at each signing telling us this was the best thing
since sliced bread. They are on you tube if you are smart enough to
figure that out.

guess you should go he

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-273

and find out who VOTED for it.

oh. the GOP did.

and clinton? he'd been impeached you moron. congress had his ass tied
in knots

even for a right wing fringe nut you're incompetent

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:58:21 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/11/2011 10:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:41:41 -0500, wrote:


figure that out.

He has fleabagger disease, denial and short memories is a cherished
trait of the fleabaggers. Also why they never learn and mature. Just
greedy, envious and selffish children in the head of a lazy adult.

says the guy who moved to a country with socialized medicine so he
could tell us how evil socialized medicine is

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:22:38 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:51:25 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:24:09 -0500, wrote:

AND BOTH houses were GOP controlled; ALL the committee chairman...ALL
REPUBLICANS...supported the CFMA.

AND if you go he

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-273

you see that the REPUBLICANS passed this bill. ONLY THREE DEMOCRATS
voted for it.


so this dolchstoss for american has CONSERVATIVE written all over it.


Bob I am not sure what they are really talking about. The vote you
reference was taken in June. That was before anything happened to it
in the Senate.

both the house AND senate were GOP controlled

ALL the committee chairs in BOTH houses supported the bill

The final vote on that bill was taken 12/15/2000 6:38pm: (vote 603)
That is glossed over in your article as "differences resolved"

Don't you remember your allegation of Gramm stuffing an amendment into
this bill in December?
Lets look at vote 603
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2000/roll603.xml

This is the Library of Congress,. not another opinion site that you
googled up.

an opinion site?? uh..since when is a record of which members of
congress voted for/against a bill an 'opinion'?

do you know what an opinion IS??

and let's look at what the consensus of economic opinion is regarding
the financial meltdown is, shall we??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Gramm


In its 2008 coverage of the financial crisis, The Washington Post
named Gramm one of seven "Key Players In the Battle Over Regulating
Derivatives", for having "[p]ushed through several major bills to
deregulate the banking and investment industries, including the 1999
Gramm-Leach-Bliley act that brought down the walls separating the
commercial banking, investment and insurance industries".[16]

2008 Nobel Laureate in Economics Paul Krugman, a supporter of Barack
Obama and former President Bill Clinton, described Gramm during the
2008 presidential race as "the high priest of deregulation," and has
listed him as the number two person responsible for the economic
crisis of 2008 behind only Alan Greenspan.[17][18] On October 14,
2008, CNN ranked Gramm number seven in its list of the 10 individuals
most responsible for the current economic crisis.[19]

In January 2009 Guardian City editor Julia Finch identified Gramm as
one of twenty-five people who were at the heart of the financial
meltdown.[20] Time included Gramm in its list of the top 25 people to
blame for the economic crisis.[21]


you can run but you can't hide. the fact is this dolchstoss had the
greedy right wing...gramm and greenspan, as its authors

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:29:13 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:53:10 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


meaningless babble. no one knows what this means, other than some
drivel you heard on faux news.


You are too dumb to admit it.
Have you seen Clinton signing ALL 3 deregulation bills?
He gave a speech at each signing telling us this was the best thing
since sliced bread. They are on you tube if you are smart enough to
figure that out.

guess you should go he

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-273

and find out who VOTED for it.

oh. the GOP did.

and clinton? he'd been impeached you moron. congress had his ass tied
in knots

even for a right wing fringe nut you're incompetent


As usual you fell for an editorial from some opinion site and did not
go look at the real facts from the Library of Congress.

?? since when is a public record of a congressional vote a m atter of
'opinion'? you seem not to know what an opinion is


The final vote on the bill had 51 republicans voting against it vs
9 democrats. The vote you link was just on the original house bill, in
June, before the Senate ever saw it. They basically gutted that bill
and rewrote major parts of it. Your vote was meaningless. It wasn't on
the bill that was finally passed

your vote was meaningless since it included ONLY the senate AND you
dont indicate what phase of the congressional reconcilement you're
discussing


But you don't know that because you are too lazy to do your own
research

you seem not to know there are 2 houses of congress.

guess what. there are