On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:19 -0500 , X ` Man
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On 11/20/11 12:10 AM, Califbill wrote:
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On 11/18/11 11:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
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I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of
these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps
- 7200
rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive



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The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had
to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on
a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor
drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier.
The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200
rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated,
anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and
control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for
example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a
long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes
"driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their
packaging
than it did to install them in the server.



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But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots
of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it
possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000
rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


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10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if
they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced.
Still
the problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now
and
more turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now.
The
error correction helps immensely but there are still media
problems. One
of the reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a
lot of
the defect self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for
Ministore and DSP control code for Samsung and as an Apps
engineer for
the DSP supplier. The higher speed and higher density makes for
probably
the same reliability we had all through the 90's. Which was a
lot more
than the CDC, IBM and NCR removable media 14" drives.


The drive that failed, according to the techs who messed with it,
checked out ok, but there was someone written on it by software
that
they couldn't reach...or some explanation like that. In any
event, it
was the only hard drive that went teats up on me since 1984-85.


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Someone? What kind of a writer are you? Other than poor. All
drives have
extra stuff written on them. Manufacturers bad block file, ID
stuff. And
you have to know the special codes and commands to access them.
Checked
out OK? Will be on sale at Fry's in a couple months.




Uh, I don't always wear my reading glasses when typing here.


I doubt the failed drive will be on sale at Fry's or anywhere else,
since it was handed back to me in the box that held the new drive.
I
might mess with the drive a little bit to see if I can plumb its
mysteries, but otherwise, it'll be heading to the "Electronics
Dumpster"
at the county trash-out.


Try wearing your writing glasses, dumbo.

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