On 11/18/2011 9:02 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
North Star wrote:
Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.
So you lied about staying here to improve the newsgroup? You are a first
class asshole with a ******** for a home, Don.

-HB (Collecting pistachio cash!)

Pffffttt. He sits here all day trying to make himself feel like a real
man... snerk We all know he has gender insecurity

"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still the
problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and more
turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The error
correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One of the
reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of the defect
self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for Ministore and DSP
control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for the DSP supplier. The
higher speed and higher density makes for probably the same reliability we
had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more than the CDC, IBM and NCR
removable media 14" drives.

"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================
The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's in
the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit Slice
controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard time
taking over as the dominant small computer.

On 11/18/2011 11:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================

The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's
in the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit
Slice controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard
time taking over as the dominant small computer.


Yup, they are great if you are trolling the internet all day long, and
putting up pictures of the family cat... If you are doing business, you
want a PC...

On 11/18/11 11:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still
the problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and
more turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The
error correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One
of the reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of
the defect self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for
Ministore and DSP control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for
the DSP supplier. The higher speed and higher density makes for probably
the same reliability we had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more
than the CDC, IBM and NCR removable media 14" drives.


The drive that failed, according to the techs who messed with it,
checked out ok, but there was someone written on it by software that
they couldn't reach...or some explanation like that. In any event, it
was the only hard drive that went teats up on me since 1984-85.

On 11/18/11 11:17 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/18/2011 11:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================


The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's
in the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit
Slice controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard
time taking over as the dominant small computer.


Yup, they are great if you are trolling the internet all day long, and
putting up pictures of the family cat... If you are doing business, you
want a PC...



Yeah, you need a PC to post amateur movies of crippled motorbike racers.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:57:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.

Fax? In 2011???

The building industry still runs on Fax machines

I'm in the "building industry" and probably haven't sent nor received a
fax in a couple of years at least. PDF's.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

Gee, at one time, Harry claimed right here in rec.boats that he was the
resident computer guru and no one else knew anything! He even claimed
that Microsoft was sending him pre-beta software to test!

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X `
wrote:

I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

It's a lot more difficult than swapping out a hard drive or video card.

I take mine apart at least once a season to clean out any goop and
relube them.

Once a month.... snerk

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 11:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still
the problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and
more turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The
error correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One
of the reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of
the defect self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for
Ministore and DSP control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for
the DSP supplier. The higher speed and higher density makes for probably
the same reliability we had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more
than the CDC, IBM and NCR removable media 14" drives.


The drive that failed, according to the techs who messed with it,
checked out ok, but there was someone written on it by software that
they couldn't reach...or some explanation like that. In any event, it
was the only hard drive that went teats up on me since 1984-85.

I'll help your butt plug Suckling Don out, WTF does "there was someone
written on it by software" mean?