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On 10/23/2011 1:19 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote: What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam. The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch, western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages. At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing. The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be tossed out in an election) We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives. I prefer Kennedy's outcome. The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some didn't come out as well. The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK. And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost? Who knows... We will probably never know how many lives have been lost making the crossing, and how many families have been tortured and killed because family members did.... But we know you Progressives, sweep that under the rug for convenience... |
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On 10/23/2011 5:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote: What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam. The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch, western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages. At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing. The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be tossed out in an election) We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives. I prefer Kennedy's outcome. The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some didn't come out as well. The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK. The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them home. No, the outcome was we picked up our missiles in Europe, and brought them home... Just as Russia demanded... |
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On 10/23/11 10:32 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/23/2011 5:40 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote: What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam. The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch, western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages. At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing. The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be tossed out in an election) We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives. I prefer Kennedy's outcome. The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some didn't come out as well. The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK. The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them home. No, the outcome was we picked up our missiles in Europe, and brought them home... Just as Russia demanded... Uhhh...we have missiles in Europe, little man, and if memory serves, we'll soon have them in additional places in Europe. We also have them in the Persian Gulf and, of course, on board nuclear submarines. |
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says... On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, jps wrote: What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam. The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch, western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages. At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing. The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be tossed out in an election) We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives. I prefer Kennedy's outcome. The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some didn't come out as well. The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK. And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost? The cold war produced many wounded and killed all around the world. |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:25:36 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:19:50 -0700, jps wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, jps wrote: What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam. The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch, western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages. At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing. The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be tossed out in an election) We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives. I prefer Kennedy's outcome. The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some didn't come out as well. The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK. And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost? Cuban lives? Oh they are brown people who don't count. Inflation adjusted, Cuba has probably cost more than Iraq over the years. Not to the US. Cuba made its own bed. We didn't break it and we didn't have to buy it. We bought Iraq with American taxes and American blood. We broke it and we're having to fix it. No upside for the US, just a ****load or sunk cost. |
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